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Post by ningen on Tue Aug 31, 2010 1:55 am

But you have to understand- it's not that simple. It's not like- ok I have an above the average shinigami with a, for example, power level of "2". And then there is a hollow with a power level "1.5". So if a hollow gets shinigami-like powers through hougyoku his power level will be around "3.5''. It's not like that. A strong entity will get stronger, but its new strength is not something predefined. Just because you got powers similar to those your opponents have, doesn't mean that that makes you instantly stronger than them. And that both counts for hollows and shinigami who became vizards. Just because you got hollow-like power doesn't mean that you'll be stronger than every hollow out there or stronger than every shinigami out there only because you already had shinigami powers.
+ it's not a simple win-win process: hollows and death gods lose something of their own identity during that process.
So to me it makes sense that an elite shinigami could defeat the top espada. Don't forget that you can't just look at the final result of the battle- "top espada being defeated without his opponent using his trump card". You gotta take everything that happened into calculation, starting from the very beginning of the battle. That battle ended how it ended because of a lot of outside factors. Wink
People forget that shikai is supposed to be the top fighting condition for every shinigami. If you can't defeat someone when you're at your best then that means that you're very much in trouble and so, if able, you resort to your desperation move (bankai). But by watching these types of anime we kind of got used to see fighters using their final forms always once their reach it, that's why some people don't understand why are some shinigami reluctant when it comes to using their bankai. Smile
Not every shinigami is like Ichigo. Ichigo's bankai is kind of different (and it works perfectly for the purpose of this anime, because it makes him (the main protagonist) very dependable from his bankai and thus it's easier to the author to show it in almost every fight) because it actually only further improves his fighting abilities. Smile

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Re: Bleach

Post by 4Neodemon on Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:43 pm

It seems you have an answer for everything Very Happy Very Happy Not even Kubo itself could answer so well about that..lol
Ok, i will give you the arrancars's powerlevels...

But i think you are going to change your oppinion about the shinigami's bankai and to the credibility of some characters's powerlevels in the next Bleach episodes Laughing I have sure of that.. because there is no excuse for what is going to happen Shocked Shocked Curious?? just wait for the anime Razz
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Re: Bleach

Post by ningen on Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:44 am

Hehe, that's just how awesome I am. ^^
But jokes aside, yea I would be the first one to say if something doesn't feel right to me. And I have a lot of complaints about Bleach, believe me. Smile
It's just that sometimes people misinterpret what they see and it's not always author's fault for that.
Heh, we'll just have to wait and see what will happen.
At this point I wouldn't be surprised even if Hisagi attained bankai.

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Post by 4Neodemon on Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:02 pm

So ningen... have you seen the last Bleach episode? What do you thought of that? And things are going to get even worse :S
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Re: Bleach

Post by ningen on Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:09 am

Erm...yes I've seen it. Smile I don't quite know what do you want me to say now, I mean, I can tell you what do I think of it all. Smile Well all in all at least in my opinion it was a standard Bleach episode. I'll just mention what I didn't liked about it.
Stuff I didn't liked:
- I didn't liked Tousen turning into a giant bug. But then again I was spoiled when it comes to that so I was expecting it. :/ Also I guess that sometimes we got to expect that our vision of a certain character and his future will turn out to be much different than that of it's author and we have to learn to accept that.
- I didn't liked that "bad guy repents a few moments before his death" cliche at the end...so that everything is fine and dandy. :/ But then again that sort of naivety is what I was expecting from this kind of anime.
Now when it comes to the Hisagi- I really can't say that I have any complaints about the way he fought or ended this fight.

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Post by lol1991 on Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:10 pm

Oh if you didn't like the Tousen thing...

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Re: Bleach

Post by ningen on Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:53 am

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Oh if you didn't like the Tousen thing...you'll be totally amazed with the events in da future!
? Smile
Well hopefully I'll find out why is everyone saying that Kubo is a troll. XD
I mean how bad can he f#ck up things, really? Or should I not even ask such a thing? XD

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Post by ningen on Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:40 am

Yamamoto is da man! There is a saying here- You can't produce a punch without an old guy, ahaha and that is so true in Yamamoto's case.
It sucks that they didn't show a fight between Kensei and Wonderweiss.

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Re: Bleach

Post by Setsuna F. Seiei on Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:58 am

Yeah, Yamamoto is an beast and next episode is the beginning of the real annoying trolling but you might now be phased Ningen since you don't take Bleach seriously.
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Post by ningen on Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:25 am

I still don't get why Kubo is being called a troll. I don't read manga so it must be something related to some events that didn't happen in the anime yet. :/

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Post by Setsuna F. Seiei on Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:26 am

ningen wrote:I still don't get why Kubo is being called a troll. I don't read manga so it must be something related to some events that didn't happen in the anime yet. :/

Just wait until the next two months are over. You'll see.

Yammy 0 Espada,
Tousen giant Cochroach the gets injured by Hisagi then as Lol1991 said "Assplodes"
top 3 Espada's deaths and purposes in the story

and Aizen.
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Re: Bleach

Post by ningen on Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:42 am

I knew about Yammy being a 0 Espada before I saw that (it seems I just couldn't avoid being spoiled), so I was mentally prepared. But I don't know how I would react in the case it came as a surprise. XD I'm kinda cool with that because number 10 does have a certain special symbolic behind itself.
I really didn't like Tousen being a big bug (although I read about it before I seen it too). And I still don't like the way that happened.
When it comes to deaths of the Espada, that's kinda the typical shonen stuff- I'll bring an army of tough guys, they will be defeated, but the fights will be cool and it's all about the fights, that sort of stuff.
I'm still waiting to see what will be with Aizen. Although that stuff with Ichigo's monitored past was lame in a way. Aizen's fly on the wall kinda reminded me of that robotic fly which was used by that crazy Red Ribbon scientist. :/

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Post by Setsuna F. Seiei on Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:59 am

Yeah but the Espada really didn't show that they were much stronger than Ulquiorra out side of Starrk and Barragan. Yamamto gets taken out by his own attack. The fights weren't at least epic like earlier Bleach

"How do i kill Aizen? Hmmm... Maybe by setting up nukes everywhere, that'll kill him"

Fast Foward to Yamamoto fighting Aizen.

"I have created this nukes to kill you Aizen, when they explode we will all die"

Fast Foward to Yamamoto killing Wonderweiss.

"All the nukes you made are going to explode in our faces now Captain Commander"

"NOO! I MUST STOP THE NUKES"

BOOM!!!

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Post by ningen on Mon Dec 06, 2010 8:02 am

Erm...well except Barragan and Starrk only Hallibel was supposedly stronger than Ulquiorra. Yamamoto gets taken out like that at the end, but I liked that fight. But yeah I agree that the fights could have been better, more creative, less naive...
Lol, it didn't happen like that...Yamamoto had a concrete plan of defeating Aizen with that technique. Unfortunately for him Aizen came prepared...although I think that it was lame that he created a fighter with solely one purpose.

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Post by Nikku on Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:16 pm

I love Bleach!!

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Post by Chulance on Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:58 am

THis anime/manga is getting good.

The Substitute Shinigami Arc is interesting, I'm wondering where ther egoing with it myself.

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Post by Setsuna F. Seiei on Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:45 am

ningen wrote:Erm...well except Barragan and Starrk only Hallibel was supposedly stronger than Ulquiorra. Yamamoto gets taken out like that at the end, but I liked that fight. But yeah I agree that the fights could have been better, more creative, less naive...
Lol, it didn't happen like that...Yamamoto had a concrete plan of defeating Aizen with that technique. Unfortunately for him Aizen came prepared...although I think that it was lame that he created a fighter with solely one purpose.

Halibel didn't demonstate why she was the 3rd Espada, she's stronger than Nnoitra but Ulquiorra no. Yeah, everybody that encounters Aizen IQ's drop dramatically. Shinji just explained to Aizen how Sakanade works. Before you say that Shinji did it to inform us on how Sakanade works he could just thought it. Everybody that encounters Aizens is way too Naive, Aizen should've transformed after Toshirou stabbed him, the soloed the rest of the Gotei 13 and the Vizards in his new form. Then Yamamoto should've fought Hogyoku Aizen not Wonderweiss. Mashihiro should've defeated after releasing. Kensei should've fought Tousen because he betrayed him.

It basically did happen like that Yamamto had a full proof plan and it backfired on him. He wanted to destroy FKT and kill Aizen but instead stops it from being destroyed in the end only aiding Aizen. He could've just lured Aizen, Gin, Tousen, and the Espada from the get go and Ennetsu Jigoku'd them and would've succeeded. Yeah, Wonderweiss should've have been the real Zero Espada the only Vasto Lorde amongst the Espada.

Chulance wrote:THis anime/manga is getting good.

The Substitute Shinigami Arc is interesting, I'm wondering where ther egoing with it myself.

Kubo is that you. Seriously Bleach makes no sense. The fights aren't even there the new arc is awesome becuase Kubo is getting back to his mojo but the Arrancar arc sucked in the end. It started going downhill eversince Ichigo vs Ulquiorra fight ended

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Post by ningen on Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:26 am

Yeah that's why I said "supposedly" stronger than Ulquiorra.
Haha, yea, well that's the problem with Bleach and other shonen stuff- who would be crazy to explain his ultimate technique to his opponent? That's why basically you should turn off your brain when watching it. Things are often naive and sloppily done.
Although Yamamoto couldn't fight Aizen without defeating Wonderweiss first. But yea- Mashiro or Kensei should have taken care of him. We didn't even see the fight between Kensei and Wonderweiss. :/ Did they show it in the manga?

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Post by Setsuna F. Seiei on Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:01 am

ningen wrote:Yeah that's why I said "supposedly" stronger than Ulquiorra.
Haha, yea, well that's the problem with Bleach and other shonen stuff- who would be crazy to explain his ultimate technique to his opponent? That's why basically you should turn off your brain when watching it. Things are often naive and sloppily done.
Although Yamamoto couldn't fight Aizen without defeating Wonderweiss first. But yea- Mashiro or Kensei should have taken care of him. We didn't even see the fight between Kensei and Wonderweiss. :/ Did they show it in the manga?

Exactly Bleaches power scaling is messed up, Toshirou fights Luppi and couldn't even faze him then Grimmjow kills him with ease and Toshirou manages to pull a secret technique out of his ass to almost kill Halibel who is clearly stronger than Grimmjow. And Ulquiorra stated that there were 3 Espada stronger than himself. So basically Ulquiorra contradicted himself.

Nope the anime shows more than what is shown in the manga, the manga just wastes panels and it takes moths to finish a single fight. So it wasn't shown.

You like Aizen's new form?
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Post by ningen on Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:00 am

Lol, I noticed that thing with Luppi too. I mean, I know that somebody could have been taken out off guard, but come on.
I haven't yet watched episode 300. I'm waiting for SGKK to do the subs.

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Post by Setsuna F. Seiei on Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:11 am

ningen wrote:Lol, I noticed that thing with Luppi too. I mean, I know that somebody could have been taken out off guard, but come on.
I haven't yet watched episode 300. I'm waiting for SGKK to do the subs.

Exactly, you're noticing but I guess it's not phasing you.

Alright man give your opinion when you see the episode. Enjoy because you're in for a treat. Smile
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Post by ningen on Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:27 am

It's not phasing me much, 'cause I never approached Bleach with the high expectations, you know...but I can't say that I'm not annoyed with some parts. Recently there was that one scene that bothered me even though I basically turned my brain off while watching the episodes- Ichimaru (btw he rules) backstabs Hiyori, but the others don't send someone to deal with him while they fight with Aizen, no instead of that they all continue attacking him without even having someone to watch their backs. :/ And Ichimaru does nothing...

Well, SGKK finally released episode 300. Aizen kinda looks like a Silver Surfer to me. OK, he became insanely strong and along with it he's also regenerating like crazy. So now he just wants to be amused by their attempts to kill him...
Also Gin should be seriously concerned about whether Aizen would still keep him around.

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ningen wrote:It's not phasing me much, 'cause I never approached Bleach with the high expectations, you know...but I can't say that I'm not annoyed with some parts. Recently there was that one scene that bothered me even though I basically turned my brain off while watching the episodes- Ichimaru (btw he rules) backstabs Hiyori, but the others don't send someone to deal with him while they fight with Aizen, no instead of that they all continue attacking him without even having someone to watch their backs. :/ And Ichimaru does nothing...

Well, SGKK finally released episode 300. Aizen kinda looks like a Silver Surfer to me. OK, he became insanely strong and along with it he's also regenerating like crazy. So now he just wants to be amused by their attempts to kill him...
Also Gin should be seriously concerned about whether Aizen would still keep him around.

I see. I just expected Bleach to be awesome not like other Shounen from my child hood memories were like Dragon Ball, Yu Yu Hakusho, Digimon, Slayers and others. Wasn't Haachi supposed to be watching over Hiyori and then when Unohana came she came to tend to Hiyori as well.

Aizen looks like somebody came all over him. Gin.....Gin.....
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Post by ningen on Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:45 am

Aahahaha...Aizen:"Look at my new awesome form that was created by Hogyoku."
Gin:"Yes...created by Hogyoku..."
Yeah, well that's the problem, because Bleach is no different (the first arc was outstanding though). I always say- Like Naruto, Bleach is best for those who wish to know more about anime/manga world. Those are good works to start with...
You didn't understand me with the Hiyori part- what I meant to say was that none of the captains cared about Gin, they just recklessly attacked Aizen even though Gin took out one attacker from behind moments ago. I mean, you would think that they have learned something from that.

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Post by Setsuna F. Seiei on Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:26 am

ningen wrote:Aahahaha...Aizen:"Look at my new awesome form that was created by Hogyoku."
Gin:"Yes...created by Hogyoku..."
Yeah, well that's the problem, because Bleach is no different (the first arc was outstanding though). I always say- Like Naruto, Bleach is best for those who wish to know more about anime/manga world. Those are good works to start with...
You didn't understand me with the Hiyori part- what I meant to say was that none of the captains cared about Gin, they just recklessly attacked Aizen even though Gin took out one attacker from behind moments ago. I mean, you would think that they have learned something from that.

Yeah, I see. For real I mean why weren't any of Captain worried about Cockroach Tosuen? Kubo just really doesn't care.

The SS Arc was Beautiful, it had the right balance of emotion, fights, and pacing anime wise. Very Happy
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