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Post by Daisuke Ozuru on Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:12 pm

In my opinion the winner would be Goku because Goku's kamehameha wave can destroy a planet and he can withstand a bullet when was a kid.
Superman's heat vision cn only melt metal so that means his heat vision is no match for Goku's Kamehameha wave. Also Goku can turn into SSJ1-4. But Superman's smarter.

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Post by Chulance on Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:14 pm

Goku can only go up to SSJ3 SSJ4 is non-cannon and Superman can easily destroy planets with heat-vision.
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Post by Daisuke Ozuru on Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:18 pm

Well my opinion is Goku wins. It's OK if you think it's Superman because that's your opinion^^

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Post by Chulance on Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:19 pm

Supe's strength feats.

Goku barely lifted 40 tons in base and had trouble lifting a bus with Piccolo's help in the air flying up!

Superman lifts a cruise ship.



It's a fact Superman wins. if you want an opinion you don't make a debate thread not trying to be rude but there's no point in making a thread if you just will never change your mind.

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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by secor on Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:22 pm

first of all this is an old topic and most of the people here think superman would be disintegrated by any mere ki blast goku can muster in his sleep, and secondly...
Kamina wrote:Goku can only go up to SSJ3 SSJ4 is non-cannon and Superman can easily destroy planets with heat-vision.
Superman wins.
... i dont kno what you mean by non-cannon and putting ssj3 and ssj4 right next to each other (maybe be clearer next time?) but regardless, name one example of supermans ability to destroy a planet with heat vision, or any other power for that matter

and i did say destroy, freezing a planet is not destroying
and no, superman cant move a planet out of orbit, or throw it into the sun
as soon as you say something stupid i'll defy anybody else from posting in this topic

and how in the world do you think superman can lift more than goku? piccolo's destroyed whole mountains by flying into them and using pure strength to blow it away from the inside, and gokus exponentially stronger than piccolo (but piccolos still the man)

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Post by Chulance on Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:38 pm

Dude that's retarded. Superman has invunerability and he's survievd DARKSEID's Omega Effect Jesus I like to be around people who aren't obssesed with Goku. Superman can surviev universe destroying blasts and get back up,


Non-cannon means it's not cannon. Cannon means it was written in the manga and it's not filler. SSJ4 is filler therefore cannot be used in a real debate. HEre's Superman easily destroying a planet sized astriod with heat vision.



Than moves back to earth at light speed to save Lois and Jimmy from a zombie invasion. Also Heat-vision can destroy planets or he can disintegrate all life on a planet with a blast of heat. Also if you freeze an entire planet you kill all lifeand anyway he moves faster than Goku.

Goku is fast sure but if he's so fast why does he always teleport once he gains the choice. In Saiyan Saga Goku led Vegeta to a rocky area and the latter got impatient wanting to stop wasting time. If they both moved at light speed like Superman they would have arrived in seconds.


Anyway Superman is stronger also Piccolo cannot destroy mountaions with physical strength DBZwarriors have momentum when they get sent flying they building up momentum allowing them to cause large structures to collapse and they have increased durability. He did not use pure physical strength and he gathered ki and realeased an omnidirectional blast of force.

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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by secor on Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:46 pm

piccolo destroys mountains when hes training, im not talking about knocking somebody into one

second theres a ridiculous amount of different source material that ur pulling from with superman so u cant tell me i cant use the show as my source material when ur using like a million different authors interpretation of superman as yours

third, destroying life on a planet is not destroying a planet, neither is destroying a planet sized asteroid, goku could destroy that asteroid from earth while destroying earth, thats just fact

and finally, superman is and i quote "faster than a speeding bullet" not as fast as light, goku is so fast u cant see him when he moves, you can always see superman when hes flying
"look its a bird its a plane, no its superman"
well if he moved at the speed of light u wouldnt be able to see him (fact)

okay maybe not finally, just one more thing, superman and flash had a race and it was a tie, and gotenks when around the planet like 60 times in just a few seconds, which im sure flash n superman cant do, regardless, goku is definitively faster than flash, and flash and superman are a tie

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Post by lol1991 on Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:12 pm

To tell the truth, I rather this end here. This was a source of epic bullshit and discord the last time. Sorry, it ain't happening again, not on my watch.

Let's just agree that Superman has interpretations throughout history that can defeat Goku, but at the same time has others that can't.

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Post by secor on Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:30 pm

^that was massively awesome

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Post by Chulance on Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:34 pm

No wrong actually he does destroy them but not with pure physical strength. He Telekentically moves pryamids and crushes them by slamming them into the ground or into other structrures of similar size and density.

Again your wrong I'm not using differnt interepretations. There are different versions of Superman I'm using New Earth Superman currently the main version of Superman used in comics.

While it is true destroying life is not exactly annhilating the planet Superman destroyed an astroid with heat-vision with one blast easily as you can see in the pic above your post Secor. Superman would never destroy earth that's retarded and Goku has never destroyeds earth either.

He has the power similar to those with planet busting skills Superman si the same way except he has actually destroyed things in similar size to planets.Dude Superman is faster than light and your comic knowlege is limited faster than a speeding bullet is from the old comics. Now Supes is faster than light

That's insane the viewers of the comic can see Superman obviously but the characters within the comic cannot see Superman. He's a blur that's how they draw him and Flash is much faster than Superman currently. Wow that's insane Goku is no-way near the speed of Flash if you belive that there is no point in debating you.

Lol1991 is right there are various Supermen that can own Goku and others that can't. The Current one New Earth however can I don'ts ee why people overpower Goku he rarely beats any enemies in HIS OWN Story.

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Post by Godsend on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:04 am

Goku would easily win
[B]Reasoning: People look to superman as immortal or invincible only not to kryptonite,but he is far from invincible;he his a kryptonian, by human standards he is considered invulnerable but by kryptonian standards he is normal. Goku is a Saiyan, saiyans are very powerful and even as a kid goku was considered very close to invulnerable by human standards but by saiyan standards he was a low-class child,and all you neeed to destroy a planet is a saiyan child and a full moon and you can kiss that planet good bye- later on in life he would defeat a super elite saiyan-so as goku progressed he would continue to get stronger so the need for a ssj transformation wouldnt even be neccassary because goku is the most powerful fight to ever live(take that back Gogeta ssj44 is ) so superman would be lucky if he could even beat Raditz ok maybe not Raditz but maybe cell or frieza-Man of steel with bullets bouncing off his chest yeeah lets see him bounce a super big bang kamehameha off his chest, superman gets weakend by nukes goku could destroy an entire galaxy easily,and if the sun keeps bringing back superman he'll just beat his ass at night or keep knocking him down ssj+ is not even neccesarry for this battle and God knows what of superman if goku gets a hold of kryptonite on a full moon, Lex Luther almost killed superman but his problem was he didnt finish the job goku would exstinguish every cell in his body (no remains) and if you dont beleive goku cant destroy galxies look at Broly:The Legendary ssj, and goku surely morepowerful than him, Broken Hero or not goku can still beat him actually any saiyan could including SB Prime who is more powerful than superman(and srry Marvel Fans but Marvel Supes aint got nothin on these guys) Plus goku can move across the universe in less than 2 min , goku has countless attack strategies and superman has limited aspects. and ssj4 is not filler. It would be filler if it said The End at the end of dbz but it did not it said it at the end of GT (refer to previous debates on info about speed)


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Post by Godsend on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:07 am

please ignore bad grammar and spelling

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Post by Chulance on Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:57 am

Ah Fan-boyism. It is so interesting, you my friend are wrong. Superman would murder Goku.

Ok so by kryptonian standards he's normal. First off you're wrong there he has absorbed far more solar energy then other Kryptonians, and even on their level he has learned several more skills then them. He's mastered advanced Kryptonian mental techniques, several forms of martial arts, large arsenal of technology, massive intellect, and even some dabbling in magic to protect himself from it.And so what if he's on a normal kryptonian level, Kryptonians are far more powerful then anything Saiyans ever where in the series. Goku struggled to push a mountain apart, Superman can move planets. A Saiyan child CANNOT destroy a planet, it can destroy a populace a weak one at that, due to their Great Ape form. Also Gogeta is above Goku no matter what because it's a being with his and another being's power. Superman is not affected by nuclear weaponry at all, and the energy powers used by the Z Fighters are nothing compared to Darkseid's omega beings, or Imperiex's big bang energy manipulation. Goku has never shown the power to wipe out galaxies in cannon, or non cannon so that is foolishness incarnate coming from your keyboard. Smile

You do realize Superman is immortal, and exposure to the sun constantly increases his power, plus if he EVEN suffered any damage he'd regenerate. Goku cannot even touch Superman due to their speed difference, if he did he'd shatter every bone in his hand. Lex Luthor is a genius, and has access to technology That would wipe out everyone in DBZ including Majin Buu easily. The Full moon, Goku can't even control the Great Ape state, so it would be more useless then his Super Saiyan state. And further more Superman dosen't just hit the floor crying when he sees kryptonite, he goes toe toe with Luthor in kryptonite suits, and has even beat a 2000 foot tall Metallo a being composed of green kryptonite. Broly is non cannon, and beat the shit out of Goku every fight, and he has never destroyed a galaxy that's a hyperbole. You have demonstrated your idiocy, DBGT is indeed fuller, the creator himself has said it is.

Everything you said was mostly stupid you dissed marvel oh hell naw. Listen up boi Superboy Prime would shit on the saiyan race instantly. And there is no "Marvel Supes" but Marvel would fuck DBZ over instantly. Superman has FAR more strategies then Goku, you used no reasoning or proof. Good Day Sir. Very Happy

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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by Godsend on Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:03 pm

secor wrote:piccolo destroys mountains when hes training, im not talking about knocking somebody into one

second theres a ridiculous amount of different source material that ur pulling from with superman so u cant tell me i cant use the show as my source material when ur using like a million different authors interpretation of superman as yours

third, destroying life on a planet is not destroying a planet, neither is destroying a planet sized asteroid, goku could destroy that asteroid from earth while destroying earth, thats just fact

and finally, superman is and i quote "faster than a speeding bullet" not as fast as light, goku is so fast u cant see him when he moves, you can always see superman when hes flying
"look its a bird its a plane, no its superman"
well if he moved at the speed of light u wouldnt be able to see him (fact)
"you can blame that bird, plane bs on the script"
okay maybe not finally, just one more thing, superman and flash had a race and it was a tie, and gotenks when around the planet like 60 times in just a few seconds, which im sure flash n superman cant do, regardless, goku is definitively faster than flash, and flash and superman are a tie

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Post by Godsend on Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:54 pm

OK lets drop the non-cannon bs, filler or not its, there, its apart of the show, or manga and it's there for good its not going to change, if one shouldnt be allowed in debates, it is broken characters(superman) Shuster:hmm lets make an completly invulnerable character, he will be able ti withstand anything, lets call him superman. Then what shuster didi to try and fix his brokeness was to put one thing in the universe that could cripple his power, kryptonite.(Broken). and i know gogeta is above goku thats why i said ( goku is the most powerful fighter to ever live i take that back gogeta ssj4 is) Goku is intelegent but just lacks common sense,he would know what to do with the kryptonite if he got a hold of it. Goku has far more techniques and experience in battle than superman he was born to fight like all other saiyans. If superman is faster than goku how would goku move across the galaxy in less than 1 min. He uses instant transmision. After the battle with baby goku was able to control his great ape from or else he would have never reached his ssj4 form. And another thing about kryptonite I must have imaggined him almost being killed by luthor. PLus goku can also regenerate lost energy mkaing him much stronger than before with the spirit bomb he can use the collected energy to regenerate making his saiyan cells react to the regeneration making him that much stronger. And another key word is "immortality" and not "invulnerability". Strength is one thing and power is another. As long as goku has power behind those punches its sure to literally beat superman to death and if a universal spirit bomb were condensed into one of those punches it would shatter supermans skull. And all the many other supermans from other demensions they could use the dragonballs to make an clone army of goku that would also kick their *ss. Nuclear energy does to effect superman and standing toe to toe with luther i could kick luthers ass if he were a actual person in hand-to-hand. "kryptonite is described as having formed through a process of nuclear fusion-" thats what destroyed their planet. "-the ultimate physical weakness of Superman" and the only reason superman is still alive is because not many of his enemies realy never had the intent to kill him so much as make him suffer thats why they fail they never finished the job. At least db has characters that die. Superman is apparently"invulnerable" But goku has also struggled in the past in finishing the job as well from compasion, which may be the end of the epc battle if the two come to reasoning.

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Post by Chulance on Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:57 pm

Lmao. I swear this is entertaining, I don't want too many walls of text, so I'll counter act your Bullshit simply. Non-Canon means it wasn't made by the original manga artist, so Filler/DBGT ect is not part of cannon, therefore if we're using Son Goku it is not a factor in this debate. So it's part of the show yes, but part of the original source manga hell no. Going by GT SSJ4 Goku couldn't even lift a building, while in DBZ SSJ2 Goku could push a mountain apart, damn guess Goku got lazy those 10 years whooping Uub's ass. Superman is not broken, he's not the most powerful being in his own universe but he's damn well more powerful then anything in DBZ. Anyway Speed Wise Superman can measure the time between nano seconds soo..

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You do realize Kryptonite is the irradiated material from Krypton's explosion, it has nothing to do with nuclear energy. Superman has withstood nuclear explosives without movement, he's shook off planetary blasts, and blows from beings who can shatter planets. Clark(Superman) has FAR more experience and battles then Goku was ever shown to have-fact. Teleportation that requires a ki signature, Clark has no ki signature and considering his speed would murder Goku before movement. Lex is a genius, he dosen't just need kryptoniate, Clark is very resistant to it's effects more so then other kryptonians, hell he's used it against his kind. Also show me "Scans" of Luthor nearly killing Goku, unless your going by Superman Returns the film like a true noob who's spouting knowledge but don't know your source. Very Happy

I'm not going to comment on how the saiyan cells, and spirit energy shit makes no sense, and is not valid. Pics or it didn't happen, and no Super Android 13 scenes don't count, I want manga scans. Goku has nowhere near Clark's level of strength fact. Many of Clark's enemies have intended to kill him bar Darkseid who wanted to recruit him. Dc has numerous characters that die, Clark being one of them.

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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by Godsend on Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:21 pm

saiyan cellls and spirit energy makes complete sense watch the show read the manga. and there is a difference between measuring nano-secs and being able to move between them. Instant Transmission isn't teleportation, it is the de-particlization of matter and moving at 10,000 x the speed of light with i am pretty sure is much, much too much to be measured as nano-seconds. and if Clark Kent has no Ki he is no longer living, it may require focus but goku has perfected it so well that little to none is required. And correct me if i am wrong superman is also vulnerable to magic, in which is a Namekians specialty and ki is also a from of magic which can be concentrated and fired at oppenents.Ok and um heat vision and making everything else super cold just isnt going to break goku, i agree that in GT everyone got lazy and i mean everyone, but in his childhood and in parts of dbz he has trained in the hyperbolic time chamber a place were weather changes from hot as the sun or less or cold as neptune, and were the gravity increases dramatictly. The saiyans train in gravity 10x earths wich would hinder supermans flight even though he is strong. The other saiyans on earth train in 100x ( even the 6-7 year old saiyan hybrid children) gravity like its nothing that is for sure to put a dent in superman's flying ability. Getting beat by your own clone is one thing but getting beat by your teenage clone is jsut something else, and yes i mean superboy prime. Fighting themselves is something Z-fighters do all the time. If goku gets beta by his own son that understandable caus each new generation of saiyan newborns are born with more advanced powers than the preceding. It makes no sense to say a kryptonian has more battle experience than a saiyan. The fact that ypu have superpowers doesnt mean you auto-matically gain the ability to fight. Like i said before saiyans are born to battle, the ultimate warrior race, saiyans have a sixth sense for battle. And if they fought on supermans home planet superman would be sure to die as Kryptons sun didnt put out enough energy to sustain their powers making them almost the same as humans. So only on Earth would superman possibly be able to defeat goku"On the planet Krypton, whose sun was a red supergiant with a relatively low energy output, their physical abilities were essentially the same as humans." And if they fought on planet vegeta he would also die, as planet vegeta's sun was also very weak and the gravity difference would be a dis-abilityfor superman. So that puts out everything earlier about kryptonians kicking a saiyans ass. If the saiyans invaded krypton they would be as helpless as humans. Cause they basically were almost like humans. So even a well skilled human could have a chance with a kryptonian.Result of battle on Krypton:
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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by Chulance on Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:44 pm

I'm just asking you for some damn proof man please, I can't debate like this. PRESENT PROOF of this stuff about the Saiyan Cells, and Spirit Energy? THere's nothing about Spirit Energy in DBz, but at least we agree in DBGT writers got lazy about keeping up with feats. Instant Tranmission is teleportation, it is not a form of speed otherwise Goku would have used it as such in the Buu Saga. Ki is something that exists only in the DBZ anime, not in DC comics therefore Clark has no ki. Clark can be harmed by magic but he's no more vulnerable to it then the average man. Namekians do not use magic, but advanced ki manipulation, and ki is not magical, in DBZ its natural, and something everyone has.

Goku is not immune to temperature, he can be burned and frozen as shown several times in the series. Clark can produce temperatures that reach the sun's heat, and

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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by Godsend on Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:09 am

Sooo the dragonballs are not an example of magic(bullshit).At one time, this may have been an interesting fight. Back in the Saiyan Saga, when Goku was only in the Death Star's league of fire power. He's gotten a few million times stronger since then. Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, Super Saiyan 3, Super Saiyan 4. Not to mention all of his various techniques.Some people might say the Superman is to fast for Goku. Frankly, I'm convinced that if Goku were in the DC universe, he'd get everywhere he's going in seconds. Conversely, if Supes were in the DBZ universe, it would take him forever to get somewhere, just like it does the Z-Fighters, no matter how fast they get. Seriously, the is an anomily tha there are examples of. In the Buu Saga, it takes Kuririn about 10 minutes to go from the Tenkaichi Bodukai to Babidi's ship. Then a few episodes later, it take Trunks and Goten in Super Saiyan mode several episodes to cover that same difference. They should have covered it in seconds. The fact that it takes the Z-Fighters any time at all to get anywhere is just plot induced stupidity.Superman�s villains are also dumbasses except for Doomsday and Lobo. Supe's got all that power and he uses it to protect one stupid city, hell with his powers he could be a comic super, but just stay the hell away for red suns and there rays. Goku, however, has great powers and uses them for his benefits and also protecting the world. The guy actually has fun from time to time and is also funny sometimes. Super has superspeed. Yeah so, shit Goku has super speed as well.


-Superman has superheat vision. So who the hell gives a damn when the other guy's able to blast energy blast and increase it at an unbelievable level. Blowing everything out of sight.


-Super has superstrenght which means shit to Goku cause he's got that as well.
A strong, fast guy, with heat vision, x-ray vision, telescopic vision, super hearing, flight and a near unbreakable will. However, he does NOT have the same level of fighting ability as Goku even with his brief lessons from Mongul. Basically while the sprit is willing the flesh is slightly weaker. Though he is much smarter than Goku. Goku on the other hand has trained religiously since childhood. He's always learning new techniques. He has so many destructive attacks it isn't funny. I'm no rabid DC fan nor am I a rabid DBZ fan( I know hard to beleive right?) who both have some pretty bad logic. I'm pulling for Goku because while he and Supes are practically equals in strength and speed, Goku's superior fighting ability and energy attacks.Imagine a big country guy with a somewhat good fighting abiity (like myself) with some enhanced senses and heat vision. Now put him against Bruce Lee with massive energy attacks and teleportation. The Country boy is going down. It's pretty simple really. Goku fights very powerful enimies and has to be careful not to slip or its nomore earth. When the battle is over you might see a newly risen baroon desert, some large craters and little life. Superman and Doomsday battle it out their fullest and all you see is a metropolis with some broken windows. Plus i dont think he kept training in the afterlife as well.




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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by Godsend on Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:14 am

Superman is just lucky he isnt fighting one of gokus enimies who would mock(spam) beat him up mock(spam) then wounding him severly hoping he will die shortly.
and btw i have been looking at many different CBUB Fights and they are quite entertaining

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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by Godsend on Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:39 am

just watch the show there are superman fans saying its not fair to compare the universe of dbz to dc cause dbz takes their power level to the insane extreme and is far off the charts compared to dc. And watch the enemies they face and their abilities. Two of which have succeded in destroying earth. Then compare. Its not that hard.

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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by lol1991 on Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:41 am

It depends on what version of Superman you use

If you go to the Silver Age, pre-crisis, Goku would get his ass handed to him

Post-crisis, right after, Goku would win hands down

As it stands now, with the 2011 reboot after Flashpoint, we don't know to what level Supes powers got reseted, but before Flashpoint? It'd be a close fight, considering both men could probably survive a planetary explosion.

Goku doesn't breath in space though, so he'd need some help

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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by Godsend on Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:46 am

Thats were DC F***ed up they decided to confuse the hell out of people by creating multiple earths and multiple supermans.This battle would have to come out with who ever has the greater will. Which would be goku the guy lives for battle gets stronger with everyone and with some solar accident or explosion mutating his physicall abilities.

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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by Godsend on Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:48 am

Lets review some stats:
ORIGIN

-Superman- Sole survivor of the planet Krypton.

-Goku- One of the handful of survivors of the planet Vegita.

ADVANTAGE: Tie.

HERITAGE

-Superman- Kryptonians, known for their advanced science and technology. Will become extinct if/when Superman dies for good.

-Goku- Saiyans, hardened race of warriors who lives for battle. Nearly extinct, but is -very- slowly coming back.

ADVANTAGE: Goku

POWERS

-Superman- Strength, speed, levitation, heat vision, and x-ray vision.

-GOKU- Strength, speed, levitaion, Ki Manipulation, Ki Sense, and the ability to go 'Super Saiyan'.

ADVANTAGE: Goku, barely.

SOURCE OF POWER:

-Superman- Yellow Sunlight.

-Goku- Constant training, along with a Saiyan's natural ability to become stronger after a near-death experience (or even death itself)

WEAKNESSES

-Superman- Kyrptonite, which seems to pop up just about anywhere. Red sunlight.

-Goku- Tail, which has been cut off. Not too bright outside battle.

ADVANTAGE: Goku

DAY JOB

-Superman- Clark Kent, reporter for the Daily Planet.

-Goku- Fighting -is- his day job.

ADVANTAGE: Goku

GREATEST FEAT

-Superman- Came back from near death. Saved the earth.

-Goku- Got killed twice and came back to life twice. Saved the universe.

ADVANTAGE: Goku

FAME
-Superman- Known throughout the world. Household name. In the dictionary.

-Goku- Known throughout Japan. Gaining popularity in the USA.

ADVANTAGE: Superman

OVERALL:Goku. For Superman's sake, I hope this is somewhere in space.

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Re: Goku V.S. Superman

Post by Godsend on Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:51 am

This is an example of the will power:Not once, NOT ONCE do I remember an instance where Goku has lost the will to win, or lost the belief that the battle could be won. It doesn't matter what you do, this guy will keep working to defeat you. I've seen him giving telepathic messages to people to help them defeat a foe, I've seen him plung into battle, I've seen him BACK OFF from fighting someone just because he realizes that he's not the best one for the job and will give the one who can advice and props, I've even seen him leave Heaven for crying out loud to save people he cares about! The only way I've ever seen people knock Goku out of the fight permanently is to beat the living shit outta him, break both his arms and legs, break his jaw, and then knock him unconscious. That way, there's no way in hell he can get back into physical battle, and he won't be able to talk to give advice, and being unconscious keeps him from doing it telepathically. And by simply NOT KILLING HIM, he won't do any of the above from Heaven.



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