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Re: Is God Real?

Post by Dracarot on Fri Mar 26, 2010 12:56 pm

But we bring it upon ourselves, you see we are given the choice as to whether we'll be good or not and thus if we'll be among those who get into paradise, that is the divine power's gift to us, the power to choose our fate. Yes the final end is organized, but it's what happens to us after the final end where anything can happen because although it is determined that good will be rewarded and evil punished, the gift of choice allows us to choose whether we are rewarded or punished!
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Post by Vampire Knight on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:37 pm

that sounded like light yagamine
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Post by Dracarot on Fri Mar 26, 2010 1:38 pm

I plead ignorance, whats yagamine?
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Post by 4Neodemon on Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:02 pm

LOL... she was refering to Light Yagami.. the main character from death note!

But the thing is.. God already know who is going to be "good" or "bad" (He is omniscient)... if our fate is already decided (way before humans creation)whats the point of the free will?? Why not put people in hell or paradise in first place? why even bother to create us?
And more... humans have suffered a lot since they appeared on Earth.. wars, disease, natural disasters, religious oppression..etc! Why create something and let some people suffer and save others (like the Jews)??
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Post by Dracarot on Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:20 pm

I don't think God knows all our respective fates but rather the general fate of the good and bad, because if God knows what happens then there's such a thing as fate, and I refuse to believe in fate in matters of daily life, because that would mean our choices were not being made by brain cells working, so our individual decisions are still in our control and thus he gave us a gift of freedom, a gift which has been abused but a gift none the less.
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Post by Chulance on Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:27 pm

I'm of the Christian Faith, and dang this topic is popular! Very Happy

So First off God knows EVERYTHING Dracarot. I mean are you saying your opinion of the Bible's words, or your OWN faith? The Bible confirms..that God knows everything about us, what we will do, and such.

@ Neodemon: It's HARD to explain, sort of easy, and NOT easy. God knows everything. Our fate's are NOT decided, we have free will. He simply knows what were going to do. Let's say I can see the future, I see you shoot the President. I know your going to shoot the president..dosen't mean..I have any form of control over you.

On earth we are suppose to decide our allies? God, or Satan. If you don't choose God, then you are automatically an ally of Satan. God gave us a chance, but Adam & Eve screwed up everything. We have Free Will, that's why war, famine, disease ect exist. Also God puts us through hardship to lead us to him.

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Post by Dracarot on Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:38 pm

Last two parts were what I was trying to say, and your right about the first part, my bad, he does know everything about us I do recall that quote, but he doesn't control us, he just knows us. Sort of like how a Dungeon Master knows the people's player characters. The player characters actions are not controlled by the Dungeon master but he knows what they'll do (more or less) and knows the outcome.
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Post by 4Neodemon on Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:55 pm

Just because i do not like God, it doesnt mean i love satan.... cant i be neutral?? lol

plus good and evil is relative... for example Chu thinks that people who do not accept God are evil... i disagree.. im a demon, but im not evil lol! lol!

and afterlife... i really hope such thing do not exist!! Because spending an eternity with God without anime, music, television, alcohol or videogames would be boring..lol
like.. life makes no sense, but becoming immortal and do nothing is even more meaningless :S
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Post by Chulance on Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:59 pm

Well know..I don't mean it like that. There's no neutrality with God. You pick him, or automatically you are "Allied" with Satan even if your NOT confessing Satanity, or whatever it is those Satan Worshipers believe in.

All Demons are evil, because they were angels who allied themselves with Lucifer during his rebellion in Heaven.

I HOPE The Afterlife exists. Eternal happiness is amazing. Heaven is beyond human comprehension, it's eternal pleasure. It's more enjoyable then any earthly possession, or material.

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Post by 4Neodemon on Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:59 pm

Dracarot wrote:Last two parts were what I was trying to say, and your right about the first part, my bad, he does know everything about us I do recall that quote, but he doesn't control us, he just knows us. Sort of like how a Dungeon Master knows the people's player characters. The player characters actions are not controlled by the Dungeon master but he knows what they'll do (more or less) and knows the outcome.

But God already have done something (according to the bible)... He save the jews!! How do you explain that?

EDIT: And Chu... me being a demon its just because of my nick... Very Happy Very Happy
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Post by Chulance on Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:02 pm

How do you explain what? How he saves the Jews?

I know about your nickname. At Least..I get the joke now. Razz

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Post by 4Neodemon on Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:08 pm

You guys are saying that God do not intervene with human life...like, he knows what is going to happen, but he let happen because we have to make our decisions, right?? But according to the bible, God intervined when He decided to save the Jews... Am i wrong?
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Post by Dracarot on Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:14 pm

Well to every rule, theres the exception... look at all the rules of grammar, we have exceptions to plenty of those rules, (especially in Spanish all those verbs that don't conjugate the same as others) So God can intervene if he wants, but generally doesn't, his divine intervention is a fail safe when necessary. (Note other divinities cases of saving their people could also be considered these as well, though a believer in God, all faiths are welcome)

As to why he needed to do that, like I said incredible Xanatos Roulette beyond mortal understanding.
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Post by Chulance on Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:18 pm

WRONG!

Neo..God DOES intervene with human life. When we pray, and ask for him for help. He lets us make our own decision's, but he helps those who believe in us. He just sometimes puts us through trials to bring us closer to him.

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Post by 4Neodemon on Fri Mar 26, 2010 7:20 pm

Dracarot wrote:

As to why he needed to do that, like I said incredible Xanatos Roulette beyond mortal understanding.

Indeed...
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Post by Vampire Knight on Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:34 pm

i thinkg gandhi is like a god
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Post by Chulance on Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:42 pm

Ghandi a god...? What religion do you support? Question

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Post by Dracarot on Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:50 pm

Vampire Knight wrote:i thinkg gandhi is like a god

Definetly one of the better humans on the planet, but I think Saint would be a better eqivalent than God, or what's the title for a saint equivalent (if there's one) in the Hindu faith?
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Post by Vampire Knight on Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:50 pm

i dont think Ghandi is a god but if there ever was anyone that was like a god it would be him i loved Ghandi
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Post by Chulance on Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:15 pm

Okay....

I believe Jesus was good..IS God....

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Post by Dracarot on Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:23 pm

What about the Dalai Lama? He's been trying to free Tibet peacefully for decades?
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Post by Chulance on Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:37 pm

But he's not God..

I think people doing good is great, I don't want them to be Jesus.

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Post by Dracarot on Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:40 pm

I wasn't saying that, just saying he's an extremely good guy comparable to Gandhi...
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Post by ningen on Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:32 am

I look it from this perspective- God "knows" what will happen because God transcendents time and space. But that doesn't mean that my life is pointless. I still want to exist and I'm grateful for it even though I'm not free, I'm limited\defined by time, space, my human nature and the current reality brings a lot of suffering in our lives. I "choose" my way, so it's about the journey not the destination.

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