Why do we think that DBE supporters are not DB fans

ningen wrote:1- Your friend is not a DB fan.

Uh... man that is one of the things that bothers me. He's a fan of the show and manga... and he's a fan of the movie. We are fans of the show and manga... and not of the movie.

^I think that is what pisses of the DBE supporters... we don't consider them fans when they are, they just like something we don't like. It's exactly like saying that Dragonball fans that only like the English dub aren't fans hmm? Not trying to start anything, but they're fans, just with different preferances. Maybe be preferances that we think are terrible and horrid. But still.

Anyways, away from the fights!

I really don't consider them to be the fans of DB.
You can like DB and you can like DBE. But you can't be a fan of DB and still like DBE. Because DBE is is the embodiment of everything that is the total opposite of what DB is, what DB gives and, let's say, preaches to people.
A true DB fan is somebody that learned something from watching DB, somebody that fights on the side of good against evil, it's sharing against taking and exploitation, it's justice against...well injustice and lies...
So you see now why your comparison was wrong. Because in that case we are still talking about DB and in this case what we are talking about is the total opposite.
They are not DB fans, I stay by my statement.

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Por falar nisso, a ministra da educação e uma pega, ne neodemon XD.

Tens razao
Há pessoas que só sabem fazer m**da Ela e James Wong davam um casal "perfeito"...ehehehe


now to the current discussion...
Someone that like DBE can not be a DB fan... why???
simple answer: because DBE is the oppositte in comparisson to the original anime\manga!!! Plus a DB fan can not accept what James Wong and co. made to our beloved anime!!! ITS INSANE... its the same thing that make a movie about Bush (the former US president) and say the guy was the best president of all time How can someone like boths??

RedRuleOneAgain... Every DBE supporter that i found, everyone said the movie is very close to the anime (WTF??? DBE being totally different from the source is a fact not an oppinion)... they even made videos about that!! and when i comment them by exposing true facts like Oozaru being totally different, they erased my comments or started to insulting me!! and why?? to have positive comments!!! that is lack of arguments to defend the movie and that is the childish and crazy act made by almost DBE supporters!!! Thats why i say they are crazy people... in some situations they indeed act crazy!!! (we only "know" them by the web, thats normal we think in this way!)



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Tlaloc wrote:This is an Amerikkkan:

That is fucking sick... the guy actually said he is going to see the movie a few more times including the one in the theaters... seriously???? jesus... he love the movie he actually liked that shit as a DB movie Are most part of the americans like him??? Poor Obama

James Wong is going to be save by the americans

Yeah, DBE supporters censor you if you don't speak in their favor, and the guy in the video hated the Chun Li movie.

...honestly though, I can't see how anyone above the age of 7 can even tolerate this movie! Forget how much it changed and ruined Dragon ball, EITHER WAY DBE IS A PISS POOR FILM

ningen wrote:I really don't consider them to be the fans of DB.
You can like DB and you can like DBE. But you can't be a fan of DB and still like DBE. Because DBE is is the embodiment of everything that is the total opposite of what DB is, what DB gives and, let's say, preaches to people.
A true DB fan is somebody that learned something from watching DB, somebody that fights on the side of good against evil, it's sharing against giving and exploitation, it's justice against...well injustice and lies...
So you see now why your comparison was wrong. Because in that case we are still talking about DB and in this case what we are talking about is the total opposite.
They are not DB fans, I stay by my statement.

I.. oh geeze. Ignorence is bliss then, no?

*Cringes * Sorry. Now, END OF ARGUEMENTS. Let's try to abolish this little thing.

^ Unfortunately, yes, for most people ignorance is a bliss.
So as you see, people here don't just say things. I would never say something that serious without having arguments for it. I am always happy to explain my statement to you or anybody else.

ningen wrote:I really don't consider them to be the fans of DB.
You can like DB and you can like DBE. But you can't be a fan of DB and still like DBE. Because DBE is is the embodiment of everything that is the total opposite of what DB is, what DB gives and, let's say, preaches to people.
A true DB fan is somebody that learned something from watching DB, somebody that fights on the side of good against evil, it's sharing against taking and exploitation, it's justice against...well injustice and lies...
So you see now why your comparison was wrong. Because in that case we are still talking about DB and in this case what we are talking about is the total opposite.
They are not DB fans, I stay by my statement.

Perfectly said my friend PERFECTLY!

I have nothing to add, I think that its jut obvious that you cant be fan of DB and then support something that directly insults, distorts and destroys everything that DB stands for.

I don't say they are not DB fans. I say they have shit taste in movies, and very low standards to accept DBE as a proper lam of Dragon Ball. I have not once to my memory called a DBE fan a "non DB fan" unless I was severely pissed off, which rarely happens.

What people mean by this non fan thing is, like I said, that they have low standards. Some believe, that if they were fans, they would demand that DB be treated with dignity. As least that's what I feel the insult means, and it would be how I would apply it.

No lol! DBE fans are not fans DBE is the exact opposite of DBZ a parallel univese!

Anime Goku wrote:No lol! DBE fans are not fans DBE is the exact opposite of DBZ a parallel univese!

STFU! It's that kind of shit that get's us all the idiot accusations. They are can be fans of both. Their tastes have nothing to do with it. They can like, even love the anime, yet think this is a proper LAM of that...it's a horrible choice in my view, but does my view mean more than theirs...no it doesn't.

well if ur a fan of db, that means ur a fan of akira toriyamas work, dbe is not akira toriyamas work. a more in depth explanation: fans of db are fans of the db universe, fans of db characters, fans of the db story, fans of (what im calling) the factual fiction (basically stuff that can happen, does happen, etc). if ur a fan of dbe, well, ur a fan of something thats not all of that.

furthermore, if ur a fan of something (for the sake of the argument i WILL be specific and say db) then u dont want an adaptation of it (db) to be anything but what you know it to be. and fans arent fucking nazis, we can accept changes to stuff, maybe even find those changes clever, amusing, entertaining, heartfelt, what have you, but when... u already kno what i wanna say so i'll stop here

secor wrote:well if ur a fan of db, that means ur a fan of akira toriyamas work, dbe is not akira toriyamas work. a more in depth explanation: fans of db are fans of the db universe, fans of db characters, fans of the db story, fans of (what im calling) the factual fiction (basically stuff that can happen, does happen, etc). if ur a fan of dbe, well, ur a fan of something thats not all of that.

furthermore, if ur a fan of something (for the sake of the argument i WILL be specific and say db) then u dont want an adaptation of it (db) to be anything but what you know it to be. and fans arent fucking nazis, we can accept changes to stuff, maybe even find those changes clever, amusing, entertaining, heartfelt, what have you, but when... u already kno what i wanna say so i'll stop here

Over the past months, I've gained a new perception of what a good adaptation should be, from interacting with both idiots and people that know their shit. I re watched some movies to reevaluated them, and gave them new better opinions in my view. All this to say, a LAM is something that must be locked at, not from a fan perspective, but from a different perspective altogether There are many variables. Most fail in the plot and in some cases character guidelines, yet still retain the feel, even sometimes mirroring it completely, making the rest unimportant. DBE failed in all aspects. But this is MY VIEW. Some people have lower standarts of what a the LAM should be like, and accept DBE. I can judge their tastes and standards in comparison to mine and argue, but I can not, under any circumstance, put their fandom into question.

I believe that they are fans BUT they are known as "Desperate fans"
This defines as a fan of any (franchise of a novel/comic/manga/anime etc.) form even if it is not faithful or truly nothing related to the source or foundation, they just blindly accept it anyway. Just slap the name "dragonball" on it when it looks fake or inferior or anything unrecognizable.

There is one fact, there are people that likes shitty movies.

JessicaRaine wrote:...honestly though, I can't see how anyone above the age of 7 can even tolerate this movie! Forget how much it changed and ruined Dragon ball, EITHER WAY DBE IS A PISS POOR FILM

This is truth.

But Lol, you have to realize that its not about TASTES...its not about how good/bad DBE is as a movie, its about how good it is as a DRAGON BALL!
AND ITS NOT DRAGON BALL AT ALL as we all know already.

And not only that is not Dragon Ball at all, but it also pisses on everything that DB represents, its a TOTAL OPPOSITE OF IT!
Its purely ABSURD to call yourself a DB fan and support DBE.

Just draw parallel lines between DB and DBE...you will be amazed that even if they WANTED to make it so much opposite they wouldn't be able to do so.

Goku: "COME ON LETS GO! LETS GO! I CAN HARDLY WAIT TOURNAMENT! YATTA " or "YOU'LL PAY FOR THIS! HAAAIYAAAA!!!!"

Chatwin: "I'm not ready for this!"

Goku: "Please Master Roshi will you teach and train us to be much stronger!? WILL YOU!?!? WILL YOU PLEASE!? I wanna get much much stronger and learn how to fight better and meet so many different warriors people around the world...and I wanna win the tournament! I can hardly wait ^_^"

Chatwin: "Please grandpa teach me how to be normal, teach me how to approach to girl, I want to be normal and I also want to steal that girl from that Cary Fuller guy..."

And many many many more, actually the ENTIRE film...Goku goes in High school!?!? :S Everything is happening in THIS world!?!?, Goku goes on high school parties?!?!?! WTF!??!?!

Seriously...those are things that just so clearly point out contradiction between DBE and DB on so many places and ways...its so obvious, you don't even have to think about it IMO, you just see the trailer and you're dead.
I just listed those few in case somebody needs to be reminded of how horrible this movie is and how much it vomits on DB title.

And THATS why I will never consider anyone who supports DBE as a DB fan.
One is TASTES other is healthy logical reasoning.

I've seen no christian who supports satanism even thought they both may like eating Tomatoes...(I'm not religious personally, just an example)
If I did know of such person I certainly wouldn't call that man a christian, and nobody with half of a brain would.

Hope you kapish?

I don't consider people who like something (DBE) which pisses all over Dragonball, to be fans of Dragonball. If you like this movie and say you are a fan of Dragonball then you are lying your ass off.

Dragonball Evolution looks like it was made JUST to piss off the fans.

yesterday i get so effin pissed at seeing good reviews for DBE in amazon, and from people that call themselves dragonball fans.

this people are either payed off or compleate idiots.

If someone has never seen DB likes this movie, is ok, I mean he would de a persson with terrible taste, but is ok if you like it is your thing.

but it is impossible compleatly anathema for someone who loves dragonball to like this movie.

is like you said, being both with jesus or satan (jajaja is a funny and kind of dumb example but ok)

they are complete opposites

and the way you carecterize Goku is awsome, Vegeta, jajaja reminded me in afew words, that i want to be like him jajajaja

just love life, always searching for adventure, seeing always the wonder in the world, finding the possitive in everyone, and always seeking to exel and improve in his chose field.

i dont think many people get him , really, definitely the people who made the movie don´t get it all.

That's our opinion. If they see that DBE is Dragon Ball, we can't just say they aren't fans. It's unfair to them.

Besides, X-Men, The Dark Knight, Ironman; Transformers and several others aren't that true to the material, yet still rock. The problem is, DBE failed IN ALL ASPECTS. If I saw Chatwin pulling off a good Goku, Piccolo getting more screen time, and decently done background on the fucking ki system, Master Roshi being bad ass pervert guy, Yamcha fighting, Bulma using guns ONLY ON OCCASION, and other things, the story could be changed. I would even put up with the 10 minutes of fucking high school (minus the strawberry part, cause it was just plain stupid).

I put up with Ironman being put in a more modern scenario(aka the Iraq situation instead of the Cold War), and I put up with Rogue and Iceman, all because the movies themselves were ok. But DBE is GOD AWFUL, and I wont even try and give it a chance.

yes but the thing is in this movies they change the details, yet they respect the essence of who the characters are and what the story is about.

Iron Man in modern times, is still Iron Man, he looks and acts, drinks and flirts like Iron Man.

Batman is a very versatile character, he can be adapted to many times, genres, settings, just look at elsewords, but he is still batman.

Rouge is presented as younger but she is still a southern bell, who has conficence issues becuase of her powers

Woverine and Sabretooth are different in the movie, they are brothers and less savage, but still are basically the same characters.

what im saying is details are changed but this characters and stories are still recoginizable.

Dragonball is compleatly different is not realated at all

one thing are the changes made to wolverine in the movie and another is if you had seen logan having peter parker story but badly done, or magneto being a sith wannabe or catwoman using guns like tomb rider.

DBE is not related at all to Dragonball

So, I insist no one who is a fan of Dragonball could be a fan of this movie.

Good answer.

Bad answer. I hate LAM's they suck and rape all series. The Superman Returns movie was horrible! I mean all of you hate Superman so none of you care anyway but man it was the exact opposite of Superman. LOis was married and had kids with some lam created guy named Jason. Lex had an LAM girlfriend instead of his comic book girlfriend and wanted to help the world!? What the hell?

The Superman movies were messed up the second one barely tried to follow the comics but at least they got Zod and Superman's personalities right and had good action scenes. The Batman movies were horrible Dark Kniight was an abomination. The X men movies were horrible especially Origins. Iron-Man was okay. All Lam's suck Ironman being the only one I can say is Ok anyone who likes these movies isn't a fan. Wait Watchmen was good but messed up in a lot of ways so kinda bad but it tried so that's why I say it was good.

Actually, only people that can only be defined as a fanboy would say that about LAMs

The entire X-Men series did not suck (I mean entire. Origins kinda failed a bit), the Dark Knight was a very good movie, with his flaws, but still very enjoyably and good.

I suppose you also refer to Transformers right? Also an awesome movie. They are coming out with the second. Let's see what comes of it. It seems they are introducing that guy that formed the
Decepticons. I forget his name.

Ironman WAS FUCKING AWESOME!

And Watchmen? It was a MASTERPIECE to say the least. It caught the comics essence perfectly, all the characters done right. The ending was different, but server the same purpose, and was made out to seem more believable. Plus it also gave a better reason for Manhattan to leave (he was charged with the attacks unless I'm mistaken. I can't quite remember why he left in the original though. Damn blank.

Also, I SAID DBE FAILED! I merely saying that some stuff can just be ignored. The High School thing for example. I can totally picture Goku being a dumb(no offense) naive kid that knows nothing of the world, doesn't care on the slightest about girls, and loves lunch time. He would loose some of his naivety, but take into consideration he was older in the movie, you can look past that. However, the Goku in the film...it failed. I mean, he preferred women over food. That really says it all. It seems to minor, yet, it says it all.

Origins sucked and if you don't believe it you must be a Deadpool hater. Wow Your not a Batman fan you like Dark knight a horrible movie. Transformers another sucky movie all the humans are made up the plot is TOTALLY different from comics/series and so on.

Ironman was ok it was pretty bad. Watchmen was not the exact opposite of a masterpiece but it was pretty close. They mad eManhattan a villian nuph said. Manhattan left to create life! God, see this is why I hate talking about this there's always somone who likes parts of DBE. The high school thing sucked!

Is there no one in this world who dosen'ty enjoy Lam's? Like people like Smallville despite the fact it messes up Superman.

Uh-Oh! Arguments!

"anyone who likes these movies isn't a fan."

I like a few movie adaptions and I'm a fan. I enjoyed Batman (1989) and have loads of Batman stuff like comics and figures. He's one of my all time favorite heroes. I'm a fan. Same with X-Men 2 (2003). Oh and Spider-Man (2002).

I didn't like the Dark Knight though. It was an okay movie, but a shite Batman adaption. And the overratedness is just ridiculous.