Baby gets killed by the mexican millitia in my city

Ah okay, well we all have our own opinions.

oh yes...there's was once a quote by a bad ass man on his death bed...this man, name Voltaire, was a great mind, a brilliant scientist, and we owe a lot of today's way of life, and lot's of lives saved by this comfort, to him:

In those days (16th Century) we were still experiencing a large irrationality with the Catholic church commanding everyone's lives and sinking society into the deepest pits of ignorance. If they have had it their way, we'd all still be illiterate. Anyway, a priest was asking Voltaire to let go of his sins and renounce Satan(by which, he meant renounce science and his rationality)...and his answer was:

"This is no time to make new enemies."

So, a man that contributed so much for our way of life...who helped so many people...who helped further our society...he's a bad guy right? He was a Satan worshiper and sinner because he believe in science?

See this is why I don't like religion...they renounce everything other than what they believe in and take nothing else.

Darwin was a nut job
Galileo was sentenced to death and mocked
Newton...this guy not even gonna mention him

And it's strange, because most of these men were from predominantly Christian countries

Don't tell me prayer solves things Chu. What solves things, problems...is our own minds. We have more power than anything else on this planet (of course, with great power, comes great responsibility, so we must take care of our world) so we are the ones that decide our own fate...nothing else.

Well, Dawkins has already given proof that there is no such thing as God, and that when we die go back to nothingness, yet he doesn't support immortality research.

Derek says he has seen more dimensions than this one, but at the end Dawkins has the legal ways.

Not to mention that nowadays being religious is cause of being attacked in the internet.



What do all those people have in common?

That they have the atheist smile.

And what else do they have in common? They're sane, rational and good at argumentation

The average Christian will not present a single amount of proof other than the Bible, and the age old philosophical paradox of "you can't proof he doesn't exist"

It's actually true...you can't prove God doesn't exit...because you can't prove something "doesn't" exist. Only prove the contrary and as such prove it wrong through associations.

Voltair was a horrible man, if he worshiped Satan. The Catholic Church was evil. I'm a Christian not a Catholic thank you very much don't confuse the two for the same religion.

See you take religion wrong. Science and Religion work together, the Bible had many scientific explanations in it. It explained things such as the world isn't round, and other things about gravity. I don't renounce every other thing, unless it goes against my religion.

There are many Christian Scientists. Religion mixed with Science, makes you more open to different theories.

Your wrong Lol, prayer solves things. Our own minds our nothing, all our scientific discoveries are thanks to God. Men of God help advance the world. God decides our fate, not us. Anything else to put it bluntly is a lie created and formed by Satan.

I'm Religious, and I'm proud to admit it. Also it's not a religion, it's a relationship!

Also what do you mean the "Atheist Smile". Also Lol these people can't be sane! They don't believe in Satan. They worship and serve Satan. They believe in insane theories such as the Big Bang Theory, and the Big Crunch theory. also you cannot prove God dosen't exist. I'm a sane Christian, I can prove god exists. It's simple you believe in him, and he'll make mountains move.

God exists, some insane people choose to believe he dosen't.

With their smile they are trying to say they know it all, they can't be wrong and are better than thou.

Yes, that sums up the "Athiest Smile"

Don't insult Voltaire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire

Here's something of note:
Voltaire was one of several Enlightenment figures (along with Montesquieu, John Locke, Thomas Hobbes, and Jean-Jacques Rousseau) whose works and ideas influenced important thinkers of both the American and French Revolutions.

Yeah...the man was epic

Also, here's another thing. You say Catholic=Christian...yeah it does. It's the same (not exactly. You're more of a protestant)
I don't need to give you examples of the previous religious fuck up. Here's a recent one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac

And I never said people can't be religious. But those scientist Chu...they don't mix the two. They don't just say that God made it so and leave it like that (like most religious people). No, first they explain, then they say God had a hand in the entire process.

And the Big Bang has been proven...so much so there are already trying to simulate the event:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider

and that's it
I think that arguing after this is starting to reach a point of stupidity on my part

I'm not insulting Voltair.

He was an evil man, I consider the Enlightenment Age a Second Dark age. The World gathered more Devil Worshiper's,like my pastor said if you don't choose to serve God you automatically by default serve Satan. All those important thinkers are sinners.

Catholic is not Christian. It's not the same, and you can't tell me it is.
Also Jesus Camp is a great thing for children. I'm going to support and fund it.

The Big Bang cannot be proven, you cannot prove a fictitious event is real. No matter what fancy terms and definitions scientists come up with, the theory is just that a theory.

You started this debate, by telling me prayer does nothing. It changes lives, and that's that.

Yeah well evolution was a theory until people proved it...and Christians STILL don't believe...we can't prove it anymore than we already did.

And don't cut me the crap!! If you don't believe in the Big Bang...then fucking get me the other theory!! And if you fucking say it's God, then prove it exists!! Don't bullshiting quote me the bible, why should I believe a book that has more fiction than reality!!

And Chu, you seriously watched the vid? Watch the vid...see it, see the looks on those kids faces!! They're 10!! TEN!!! And they're being feed shit like this!! That woman...the way she talks, she's a fanatic!! She's worse than the terrorist!! It's the exact same word!!

Well you can't prove it, because it dosen't exist. Anyone who believes Evolution is a fact is mentally insane in my opinion.

I don't believe in the Big bang. I don't know about you, but I prefer not to believe in Fiction. God exists, and you have proof. People surviving Accidents, miracle's, or "luck" are all example's of God's will. I'll quote the Bible, because it's true, It's filled with reality.

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In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters, And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness

God divides Light from darkness.

I've seen the vid before. The woman is a nice Christian woman, the world persecutes me and others of my faith. Like the little girl said in the video

"I don't care what others think of me, God judges me"

The woman is not a fanatic, she's a TRUE CHRISTIAN! I respect that woman, she's amazing! I want to meet her, and support Jesus Camp. Those kids will change the world, there heroes.

or in a couple of yours you'll see christian terrorist instead of muslim terrorist. That would wake people up to the truth, but I'd rather it not get to that.

And you want proof? Fine then!

Ever head of mutations within species? Yeah, little differences that allow a certain individual to adapt better to the changes in the ecosystem. Those mutations occur due to the alteration in the genes, errors in the translation, transcription (these two are basically the way the cell uses our DNA information to create amino acids, that will then create proteins that compose and influence the cell and body) and division of the DNA.

Now, that being explained rational (please don't make me pull out the data and observation records), normally, mutations lead to death. But sometimes, they allow better survival and adaptation to the environment.
In the Galapagos, Darwin observed several different variations of the same bird, each with adaptions to better collect their food (normally the beaks)

Now, with that said, evolution explains the major changes in living beings. It's the driving force, survival of the fittest, natural selection.

Fossil records show the existence of mid-terms between some of our current species.
You can observe homologue structures in a wide variety of beings, which proves common ancestry (and thus a diversion and thus an evolution)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homology_%28biology%29
(take your time to read the other sides argument btw).

Now, after I've given my arguments in a calm, rational matter...you refute this? If you don't believe my words, I'll pull up the data if that's what it takes

But Charles Darwin and Russel Wallace spent their lives on this (Wallace is what made Darwin go public, and Wallace had a big impact that's sometimes forgotten). They lost a great deal of respect from their peers for this, so I will no allow you or anyone to just state it's false without proof.

I can't even read any of this anymore

Here's my response.

Evolution is fake, you can give me any fictional explanation you want. You can make it sound as fancy as you want my friend, but it still science fiction. I'm sorry but I prefer to believe in things that are real, not things that don't exist aka evolution. Darwin is insane, and so are all evolutionists.

There are no major changes. God created us. This is all explained in Genesis, plain as day. Fossil Records, and al that crap are wrong.

Bring up all the data you want. God, Jesus Christ, The King of Kings, Prince of Peace created us. You cannot change my mind, no matter what.

Wallace and Darwin, are some of Satan's greatest allies.

That being said Prayer changes life.

alright then, with that said, I think I'm gonna go ahead and block this argument (not topic)

Back to topic (or first subtopic anyway)

Tlaloc you need to gtfo of there as fast as you can. I think some people here that have their own places might be able to help. Depends on if you trust us (we are people from the internet)

Alright then.

Tlaloc,is your family cruel? Like abusive, do they love you? Maybe there's a reason they don't want you to leave. Gather info, save money, and leave. DTX, Ningen, or some other member might be able to help. Like Lol said, were people from the internet, but in all seriousness were really good people, and we'd help.

You can get a job in a Europe,USA< Japan but you need to leave.

To get to Japan would be too hard at this point. He should consider getting a passport and getting here by crossing the boarder. If he has a passport he can do that right?

Well I think so.

Well then the States, or possibly Europe. Europe seems better, you might get more help there.

The states are easier. You and Justin (although he'd have to head to Canada) have your own places right?

I don't have my own place as you can imagine.

If you're talking about actual help, his parents aren't breaking any laws. He has to pick himself up. Doubt he'd get any sort of legal help (not that he needs it mind you)

I'd help but mom would never let me have an adult male I met on the internet stay with us X D

but seriously someone here could help you

omg jess your mom would have a heart attack and died as would my mommy : (

Ask Dera if you could stay with him, does that guy still come here anyways?

He got banned...and he lives in Serbia...

For what, how does a moderator get banned?

Well...he started seriously harassing another member. Like...seriously. DTX banned him himself