Kenshiro vs OPVerse

Rules
1.Kenshiro can use all cannon feats from anime/manga
2.OPverse can use all cannon feats from anime/manga?

Who wins Ken or Opverse?

OP verse? Can he hurt logias?

Yeah I'll support Ken you support OP.

Let's see Ken is from one of the most broken shows? As for hurting logia's lets see. Yeah he can since he can also become intangible and harm intangible beings like logia.s

He' can cause you to blow up by simply touching you with onlu 30% of his power.

I love episode 3 when eh tells a man"You have 3 seconds to live repent for your sins"

Wait...are we talking Kenshiro, as in Fist of the North Star?
OP loses. Out of sheer GAR! That man was the original GAR. Seriously. It's like, even if all reason points towards OP, he still wins.

Anyway, back to reality. How can he, just cause he's intangible, harm another intangible? Plus, you said so yourself many times, only thing that can harm a logia is haki.

While it's true logia's can only be harmed with haki.

There are tons of ways to beat them such as reality warping so there not logias, power supression, matter warping.

Anyway Ken has a technique which lets him wipe out OPverse remember he's super comic level speed.

Muso Tensei: Taps into a void of power, gaining intangibility and the ability to disrupt/destroy matter simply by passing through it

Ah, but see, that technique fails. Fire and Light are not matter (at least, according to physics)

Kenshiro however can copy attacks/fighting styles ect. Meaning Haki so he can finish off Aiza, Marcus and Kizaru. While fire and matter are not energy what about when Ace and Kizaru are in human form?

haki is a not a fighting style. You either have it or you don't.

It's still a technique? Fine he's more powerfil than the OPverse but he can't kil Ace.Marcus, and Kizaru.

Those three can't harm him? Wanna call it a win or near win since he can wipr them out except them since there not made of matter because of their logia's?

I wanan rp too! Marvel vs Dc/op/DBZ

Who's Marcus again? You lost me.

Oops sorry

I meant to say Marco. The guy with the mystic zoan who is more rare than logia's. He can kill Akainu and Jouzu?

Yeah he can.... just not Marco,Ace, and Kizaru.

Kenshiro is also one of my favourite characters... but can he kill Smoker or crocodile??? Those guys are invincible against physical attacks :S

You didn't read this?
He can kill everyone except Kizaru, Ace, and Marcus due to them not being made of matter.
Kenshiro is stronger than the OPverse obviously but he can't own the ENTIRE verse since there are three characters he cannot beat.
Technically if he goes intangible he should be able to harm other intangible things like he does in the show but....

But that do not make any sense... Hokuto shinken is based on pressure points in the body... if a guy like smoker is made of smoke, how can kenshiro beat that?? how can he pressure points in a body of smoke?? i never see kenshiro doing stuff like that in the anime....

Wich episode Kenshiro goes intangible?? if its in Hokuto no Ken II (after Raoh being defeated), then its explained... i still do not saw that part...lol

Dude? Kenshiro's style was based on pressure points true but it evolved to so much more. He learned to use ki energy! He could disintegrate matter, energy shields, and tons of other stuff.

Kenshiro can DESTROY all forms of matter meaning only Marcus, Ace, and Kizaru can survive.

Read the manga... please. Anyway Hokuto no Ken 2 brings his powers up to the godly levels of the manga but the manga explains his limitations and things better.

He can destroy matter so Smoker dies.

Yes, i know that he can use his aura or ki energy... so what? His aura was used to hit the opponent body in the pressure points-Hokuto shinken.. my point is.. how can he do that in a guy made of smoke?? Remember that Luffy could not hit him!

He also can use his aura like the z warriors... so yes, he could fight against Smoker (and against Ace), but he could not apply Hokuto Shinken to them!! BECAUSE there are no pressure points in fire, smoke and stuff like that... dont you agree??

Are you doing this on purpouse or do you really not understand my posts? Do you seriously not get what I'm saying?

Kenshiro does not use aura for pressure point attacks! He uses ki energy like the Z warriors.

I do not agree Mutou Tensei lets him destroy ALL FORMS OF MATTER!!!!!!!!

Chulance wrote:Are you doing this on purpouse or do you really not understand my posts? Do you seriously not get what I'm saying?

Kenshiro does not use aura for pressure point attacks! He uses ki energy like the Z warriors.

LOL.. Im not fooling around... im just trying to explain that Kenshiro can NOT use Hokuto shinken art in those guys... im not sayng he could lose because, as I and you already said, kenshiro CAN USE ki like the z warriors (and HE ALSO used ki to hit pressure points performing the hokuto shinken technique)....My point is... Kenshiro main "power/technique" Hokuto shinken is not effective against guys that can desintegrate themselves... because hokuto shinken needs pressure points!! thats my point....

You said that Kenshiro can destroy all forms of matter... WRONG.. if so why he do not beat Souther at the first time??? The answer is: He need the pressure points to destroy matter... if not, he could just hit Souther with Ki energy and blow him.... BUT that do not happened! I think that my point is valid...

Never mind I can see either your kidding or you have a bad fever. I am right and you are wrong.


At the end of the series Kenshiro can destryo all forms of matter. This topic is over you can continue to post if you wish but none shall respond. Ken kills them all except Marcus, Ace, and Kizaru.

Your point is not valid.

Dude... im just reffering to Hokuto no Ken I.... and in that part he can not do what you said he can... why you always have to be right???? I gave you a valid reason... SOUTHER EXAMPLE... you just ignored it... perhaps is you who are wrong....

Kenshiro power when facing Raoh for the first time was the same as the final anime battle .... the difference was the special technique he learned... and then Raoh learn it to (i forgot the name of that technique)!! Kenshiro fought Souther after the first Raoh Vs Kenshiro battle, so if Kenshiro can just destroy matter by using ki, WHY HE DO NOT DESTROYED SOUTHER at the first time??? He only beat Souther after discovering his pressure points!!

You can not admit you are wrong??? You can ignore my post, but by doing that, it only shows that you lack arguments!!

My point is valid.... Hokuto shinken (Kenshiro main ability in Hokuto no Ken I) is not effective against non material beings like Smoker, Ace or even Crocodile!!

This debate is over. The results have beend ecided your opinion does not matter and this shall be locked good day to you.

You know, he has a point. Not counting Aokiji, all logia can just make a hole in their bodies where the contact is suppose to happen. In that case, he's basically missing. Although, I doubt Smoker could do that, due to lack of training. Croc on the other hand as such control he could.

PS: We didn't decide anything. We just reached the conclusion of who he can hurt or not in the logias

To continue, if he can't hurt them, he loses. Kizaru can move at the speed of light. Oh yeah, and so can Eneru (he isn't made of matter as well). They can easily defeat him.

Lol1991 he has NO point he fails to understnad logic and is trying to prove OP can win a fight which they can't.

Kenshiro's technique allows him to destroy ALL MATTER by simply phasing through it he can destroy other intangible beings! He simply phases through it. He can simply phase through Crocodile, Smoker ect and they are completly destroyed.

Only Ace,Marcus, and Kizaru can survive due to them not being made of matter. Why can''t we end when it's obvious Kenshiro wins? Dude Kenshiro you assume is slow? Kenshiro is faster than Enel and Kizaru they cannot harm him.

Are you telling me he moves at the speed of light? That's bullshit! I know the man is strong, but he doesn't move at light speed damn it!

And again, you failed to realize my point. He goes for a punch, They make a hole in their bodies, he misses the punch. They aren't just letting him hit them and phasing out of it, they are controlling their bodies to make him miss. Just forget it. It was a joke.

But the part with Kizaru and Eneru isn't. They move at LIGHT SPEED! There is NO WAY IN HELL Kenshiro is faster than light. I hardly remember the series (I watched it when I was 6 or 5 or something), but I'm sure he doesn't move at light speed.

Man, I hate when people support their favorite characters and say NO they can't do blah blah. I hate when people debate that way Kenshiro is FTL but there's no point argueing this debate.

Kenshiro is the winner but because you guys like OP more nothing I say or post even matters at this point. It's like punchg a brick wall of course you remember if Kenshiro is light speed sense you watched it when you were 6 and you obviosuly still read the manga and must have come to the future and got them all since it's still out.

Kenshiro can phase through anything and make it explode but your simply going to tell me I'm wrong. Kenshiro is FTL.... I'm not going to argue as your not going to believe me? Kenshiro wins..... he can make anything explode and is faster than light. I'm not even going to argue because you always argue the more popular side no matter what.

So let's agree to disagree okay?