Heroesverse vs X men

Rules
1. Current HV vs Current XM roster
2. All from current HV, but not from Flashbacks and from 1961. HV are in their current states, including faults, including X- men
3.Fight occurs in NYC, in XM.

Current XM Roster: Cyclops, Anole, Archangel, Armor, Beast, Cable, Cannonball, Cloak, Colossus, Dagger, Dazzler, Domino, Dust, Elixir, Emma Frost, Hepzibah, Husk, Iceman, Karma, Magik, Magma, Mercury, Mirage, Namor, Nightcrawler, Northstar, Pixie, Prodigy, Professor X, Psylocke, Rockslide, Rogue, Storm, Sunspot, Surge, The Three-In-One, Trance, Warpath, Wolverine, X-23

Who wins?

hmm...I'd say Heroes verse cause of Hiro and Sylar. Although, Emma could possibly get Hiro under her influence before he can freeze time...or not, I dunno.

If Hiro goes down, Sylar can be defeated by friction. They took down mimic after all, so Sylar should be similar

Although, going by that, heroes verse as other guys
Samuel and Tracy are dangerous, and Peter is of course a threat, as he can copy some of the X-Men's strongest powers and use it against them (provided he gets near them of course)

I'm not seeing any other real danger here...

There are various other threats you forgot to mention my friend

Edgar for one is a speedster, who's skilled at throwing and fighting with knives. That means he can wipe out X-men mutants with human durability such as Cyclops,or Iceman before he assumes organic ice.

Then don't forget Ando who can supercharge the powers of the other people in the Heroes-verse, and Matt's also a telepath.

Plus Becky she can turn invisible, and kill you without you knowing.

Invisibility can be countered by Logan and his enhanced smell and hearing

Edgar gets pwned by Northstar...

Emma and Xavier are both much more experience than Matt

Iceman can take organic ice instantly.
Cyclops can pwn...he can do this good damn it:

Still Logan isn't a speedster, so he can't just catch up to Becky that quick. She can use a gun to shoot everyone up.She can still kill a few people with human durability.

Yes, Yes Northstar can pwn Edgar. Well then again think if Ando super-charges Edgar, he becomes FTL like Daphne did.

Still he can take it instantly, but he can be speed-blitzed.

Cyclops is a BEAST! Anyway, I was just saying again speed blitz. But then *Drum roll* RENE! He's a beast! He can suppress your abilities, so the XM will be powerless, and then he can proceed to shooting them all up with HRG's assistance.

The hatian? hmm...I don't know...I mean, we admit that he suppresses heroes powers cause he affects the brain but...certain X-Men powers are not brain related, but actual physiological changes that can't be just blocked.

For example, Angel's wings and aerial adaption, or Mercury's body

Well think of Rene's abilities working like for example Leech's or such. Rene suppress's abilities, the X men have Mutant abilities.

Their bodies being altered are a result of their mutations. Angel is a human, well was until the X gene came into play.

Rene should be able to suppress, any change that happened due to the X men's bodies due to their powers including wings, and Bio Mercury Forms. Since were comparing verse's Rene should be able to suppress powers.

Anyway Hiro has extensive knowledge of Marvel comics. Combine that with Lydia, and Time Travel, and the X men are screwed.

Then we also have Jeremy, who has the ability to control the flow of life in living beings, healing or harming them.

Jeremy is Elixir with less control as Elixir as Beast's knowledge thanks to the Three-in-One (I can't for the life of me spell the actual name Stepford Cuckoos or something)

And Hiro knowing marvel is debatable. We've never seen how well he knows the comics. We only know he's a fan of comic books and manga in general

Rene can suppress powers of course, but he can't just alter existing matter. That's be like matter manipulation. As such, he can erase changes to the physiology of certain mutants

Heroes has no one with active physiological traits (being no one with a changed body or appearance), as all powers are manifested from the brain. Naturally, this means Rene can block all powers within is verse.

Yes but still, Jeremy would be a threat regardless of his skill level to others. He's shown the power to injure and kill others. Also his power isn't all out Biokinesis.

Well yes, he knows alot. In the first episode he knew knowledge of X-men, and aside from that he's a major fan. He has the first issues of various comics such as Superman!

Then Micah has a lot of knowledge, revolving Marvel comics. With Technopathy, he can do some cool stuff.

Yes, but still no matter how it's manifested it's an ability, it's a super-human power. Saying he cannot suppress it do a different origin is silly, also are you going by Chandra's theory that all powers come from the brain?

Because their theory was not proven right that powers come from the brain, there manifested via Adreneline.

Also in BTE the writers hinted the powers might be based on a supernatural or religious source. The Eclipse affected their abilities.

Anyway Martin could shape-shift, Tracy can become liquid, and there are various characters in Heroes who can perform elemental shifts. Anyway, if it was stated by the writers powers come from the brain, and not a character then it's a different story.

Even then they have Matt Jr, with Activation and Deactivation. He can use his ability on powers, and objects. He can deactivate abilities, or re-activate Peter's empathic mimicry, or Sylar's old abilities.

If he did Peter would die. Look what's happening to Hiro. There's no telling what'd it'd do to Peter.

As for Rene, I continue to state, all those things you've said are activated by the brain. Angel doesn't activate his wings, they're just there.

Well no, that's not true. The writers explained in Blood-line's what happened to Hiro, and in BTE more about Hiro's ability.

All with Space-Time Manipulation develop tumors, kay. It starts with head-ache's, and age plays into factor. Arnold developed head-ache's around Hiro's age, Peter had RCR so he was immortal, and would never get to an age were the tumor, or any head pains would develop.

Going by this, with Peter's restored, he could get rid of aging, and of course using healing he can render Hiro's tumor gone.

I'm not even gonna argue, because I won't get anywhere. But the point is your wrong. The powers are "on" but they can be turned off just like Leech can do. Chandra is the one who said powers come from the brain, and he's been proven wrong plenty times. But what mutants do you claim Rene can't suppress on the current roster aside from Angel and Mercury?

hmm...dunno lol

I didn't know about that part...his that why Hiro is bleeding huh? GAAAY

Anyway...Angel, Beast, Mercury, Rockslide, Nightcralwer (although he wouldn't be able to teleport, just his appearance and certain things like his flexible bones and tail)
Magik knows magic...can Rene block that?

And Namor and Hepzibah, since they aren't even mutants, they're respective races are just like that.

Yeah, your right I should leave that alone.

That explains Hiro's bleeding, sucks right.

Are you being sarcastic? Rene can't suppress magic only powers.Nor can he suppress human's.

Anyway as for those people, I'm thinking Rene can suppers all the powers but those, HV gets the weapons from HRG's storage unit, while Peter, Hiro, Sylar, Samuel, Tracy ect pwn the remaining dude's with powers.

meh...we are assuming a lack of tactic from the X-Men here

Alright fine HV wins bah

Okay I feel bad. I love debating, but I hate seeming like I'm getting pissed. I'm not, I just want to know what you mean by the X Men's team-work.

In Heroes-verse Hiro has regained full control his abilities, and his health problems are gone. So yeah..he's pretty powerful, and with Ando touching him, he can teleport all the X Men into the Prehistoric Age to get hit by the meteor, or...into the sun.

Also Sylar has a large arsenal of abilities, as well including Electric Manipulation, Telekenesis, and Sound Manipulation.

What tactic can X-men use?