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That makes no sense! Logia's are immune to being hurt there are only rare instances in which they can be physically harmed. Ki would phase through them like physical attacks. You can't disintegrate light it's already light. Hmm yeah too bad everyone in DBZverse is not as strong as OP so Zoro can use Asura and one punch won't knock him out. He can be drenched in blood and nothing happen.

Kizaru can't be destroyed if you stab him he is light he becomes light all logia's can shift into their element and are always invincible. That's just plain stupid Haki can cause you to be knocked out or paralzed. Luffy in Gears or Lucci with sonu can both own Cell with physical speed and strength. SSJ Trunks lifting a full power death-ball true that must been heavy but nowhere near the weight of a building.

Besides it took him a while to lift it up and it was made of ki. If you move faster than light you get burned up that's science for you. They don't even move at the speed of sound or else when they went to Namek they could have moved at light speed and got there. Yeah lightning can burn up DBZ characters he can superheat the air and kill them. Goku and Vegeta never wistand a lightning storm in the manga. Jango can use hypnotism on Buuhan who owns everyone but Vegito or hypnotis Vegito to wipe out everyone and than fly into the sun.

Kamina wrote:That makes no sense! Logia's are immune to being hurt there are only rare instances in which they can be physically harmed. Ki would phase through them like physical attacks. You can't disintegrate light it's already light. Hmm yeah too bad everyone in DBZverse is not as strong as OP so Zoro can use Asura and one punch won't knock him out. He can be drenched in blood and nothing happen.

Kizaru can't be destroyed if you stab him he is light he becomes light all logia's can shift into their element and are always invincible. That's just plain stupid Haki can cause you to be knocked out or paralzed. Luffy in Gears or Lucci with sonu can both own Cell with physical speed and strength. SSJ Trunks lifting a full power death-ball true that must been heavy but nowhere near the weight of a building.

Besides it took him a while to lift it up and it was made of ki. If you move faster than light you get burned up that's science for you. They don't even move at the speed of sound or else when they went to Namek they could have moved at light speed and got there. Yeah lightning can burn up DBZ characters he can superheat the air and kill them. Goku and Vegeta never wistand a lightning storm in the manga. Jango can use hypnotism on Buuhan who owns everyone but Vegito or hypnotis Vegito to wipe out everyone and than fly into the sun.

KI =/= PHYSICAL ATTACKS! What don't you get about that fact. Stop being dumb and realize that Ki is not a physical attack. It would dissipate Kizaru. He is not light himself but he has light as his element. Cell is obviously stronger than Luffy and Rob Lucci. If you move faster than the speed of light, you don't get burned. Who ever told you that? Since no physics have ever gone past it in real life, there is no definition. The speed of light is what can be caught by eye. Now focusing with Ki brings down the speed that it's really going. You can't do that with Haki now can you? No. Jango can't hypnotise that well. Like I said, he will get owned before he even has a shot. Lightning doesn't burn DBZ characters because it's part of a SSJ2's aura. People like Cell attacked SSJ2 Gohan with lightning aura and it didn't hit him.

There's no point in continuing this, seriously. It's been over.

People...can we agree on this one thing

All Logia users BESIDES Crocodile need to be aware of danger. If they get surprised attacked, they die...Buu blows up the freacking planet before they even know he was there...problem solved

KIzaru is immune to ki and physical attacks. Ki can't hurt him only Haki as demonstrated by Rayleigh. Kizaru can only be destroyed by ki and nother else. Logia's are their element when Kizaru gets cut or stabbed he can regernate same with Ace,Crocodile, and Smoker there immune to physical attacks. Also Ace had fire powers and was unable to hurt smoker.

Fire isn't physical and he can shoot blasts of intense heat that have completly destroyed people. Cell may have more destructive power but in physical strength OP is better. Yes you do Kizaru can move at light speed DBZ characters cannot fact. Jango can hypnotis whoever Vegito toys with his opponents and has Vegeta's arrogance. That's for show SSJ2 warriors generate small sparks not 1,000,000 volts of lightning.

They would be fryed. That's retarded! Lol All logia's are always invincible in human form multiple times they've been stabbed and it phased through them. Buu blows up the planet ha not if Jango hypnotisses Super Vegito to kill everyone and teleport in space.

Kamina wrote:KIzaru is immune to ki and physical attacks. Ki can't hurt him only Haki as demonstrated by Rayleigh. Kizaru can only be destroyed by ki and nother else. Logia's are their element when Kizaru gets cut or stabbed he can regernate same with Ace,Crocodile, and Smoker there immune to physical attacks. Also Ace had fire powers and was unable to hurt smoker.

Fire isn't physical and he can shoot blasts of intense heat that have completly destroyed people. Cell may have more destructive power but in physical strength OP is better. Yes you do Kizaru can move at light speed DBZ characters cannot fact. Jango can hypnotis whoever Vegito toys with his opponents and has Vegeta's arrogance. That's for show SSJ2 warriors generate small sparks not 1,000,000 volts of lightning.

They would be fryed. That's retarded! Lol All logia's are always invincible in human form multiple times they've been stabbed and it phased through them. Buu blows up the planet ha not if Jango hypnotisses Super Vegito to kill everyone and teleport in space.

No, Lol is right. Also, I love how you pull these theories out of your ass and calling them facts. Jango is not fast enough to hypnotise any of the DBZ chars past Krillen. Really, if Buu destroys half the earth, Kizaru is going down with it. There is no logic that supports otherwise.

Really, I'm done arguing, but truly the scale of power and speed is so much higher in DBZ. This topic should have been locked a long time ago.

Chulance, I have 4 major tips for you.

1) DO NOT repeat yourself. It gets old and boring.
2) DO NOT be biased. You are clearly being biased here.
3) USE CORRECT SPELLING AND GRAMMAR!!!! I cannot stress this enough. I get headaches from reading your posts.
4) USE FACTS!!!!! You keep on repeating your opinions. It is not cool and more annoying than incorrect spelling and grammar.

If Kizaru is immune to Physical Attacks and Ki, he is invincible. That cannot be true since NOBODY is invincible. Broly was "invincible" and he was defeated. Same with Kid Buu. There has to be some way to beat Kizaru.

DBZ Characters CAN move faster than the speed of light. If it was false, DBZ fights would be more boring and just like 2 kids slapping each other - the worst thing ever.

If OP Characters can move faster than the speed of light and they disappear, it must be the same with DBZ characters since THEY DISAPPEAR IN BASE FORM!!!!!!

I am not going to argue anymore unless you stay just as biased.

Okay let me explain Kizaru is invincible to physical and ki however he can be harmed by a haki a force in one piece. Not in DBZ therefore one piece technically wins. The only way to defeat Kizaru is with Haki which no one in the DBZverse has.

The only way to actually defeat a Logia is with haki of course there are other methods still DBZcant use such as Luffy being rubber makes him able to hurt Eneru an electric logia. DBZ can not move faster than light. I don't care if you no longer debate it simply means I win since you no longer post. I am not biased.

Especially with Whitebeard he's invinciible and fought Rodger. Rayleigh is 100 times stonger and faster than the 11 supernova's even at his age and Rodger is 1000x stronmger and Whitebeard fought the latter. He can pretty much win against the DBZverse.

Dissapearing when they fight does not mean speed of light that means there fighting at the speed of light. OPverse cannot move at the speed of light Kizaru can since his power is light! Also Broly was not invincible his power rised Kizaru is invincible since he can let attacks phase through them only Haki can be used to harm Kizaru.

Chulance, stop giving the same information. It's still old and boring.

Kizaru being invincible to Ki and Physical attacks is BS. NOBODY is invincible to practically everything. Haki is OP's form of Ki. They are the same thing but, Ki is stronger.

You just contradicted yourself. If logias can only be killed by Haki, and they can be destroyed by different methods, then they are not immune to everything but Haki. Therefor, there must be another way to beat Hikaru.

NOBODY IS INVINCIBLE! IT IS NOT POSSIBLE! THERE IS SOME WAY TO BEAT WHITEBEARD, RODGER AND RAYLEIGH!

Earlier, you said that Kizaru is light. Now you are saying that his power is light. You clearly are debating wrong since you give misinformation and change what you say.

I said Broly was "invincible" so learn to read. I used quotations to show that invincible is basically what he said.

You never disagreed to Buu being invincible so there you go, he can win.

P.S. You are still being biased. Use facts and not opinions. There is a difference.

Wow that proves I've already won this debate and you've lost. Kizaru is invincible to everything and that's final. Haki is not OP's form of ki Haki is not just firing stupid blasts of k. Haki is a powerful force in one piece used in bursts to KO or control people. It can be used to hit intangible or not completly tangible objects.

It has nothing to do with ki energy. Kizaru is immune to physical and ki attacks and that's a fact. Who's Hikaru and yes there are other ways to defeat logia's but they don't always apply to all logia's the only true weakness for all logia's is Haki. For Example Crocodile has a weakness to water Kizaru and Aokiji aren't weak to water. Eneru can be harmed by Luffy since he's made of rubber again logia's don't fight other logia's it's useless as seen in Ace vs Smoker.

True no one is compeltly invincinble. I'm not saying that the DBZverse cannot acess their weaknesses and Haki is nothing like ki. Infact not all Haki users can hurt Logia's only people who have the level called Haoushoku Haki like Rayleigh, Luffy, and Shanks can. Whitebeard,Rodger, and Rayleigh have SO FAR been unbeatable and have no weaknesses during their fights and are pretty much unbeatable. Rayleigh faced Kizaru with his level of Haki and Kizaru escaped. Rodger's powers haven't been explored but Whitebeard who is pretty much invincinble on land and sea so far aside from being tossed in water or sea-stone are invincible.

However in this fight this is a fight DBZ characters don't know what Sea-stone is and this fight occurs on a massive island no water just fighitng ON the island. Kizaru is light and he manipulates it. Basically Logia are invincinble if you stab him with swords and take them out he regenerates. He can't be harmed thanks to being a logia which are all invincble and he controls light. Invinicility is wielded by all logia users and also I know Broly isn't truly invincible. Logia's are inviniclb except to their weaknesses which DBZ can't acess! I'm saying facts logia's cant be hurt except by Haki or a weakness there powers give them like the sand fruit making you weak to water. Buu is a problem but Kizaru can beat him simply because light burns through anything and he can burn up Buu.

When I said Hikaru, I meant Kizaru. I will admit that I got that wrong.

VEGETA USED A FREAKING ENERGY BLAST TO BURN UP/DISINTEGRATE MAJIN BUU AND BUU STILL REGENERATED!!!!! THAT MEANS THAT KIZARU CANNOT BURN BUU TO DEATH!!!!

Who says that there is not water ON the island? A DBZ character could simply accidentally knock say, Luffy into a pond and Luffy could die that way.

Anyway your not listening. Ki is the energy they manipulte in DBZ. It can be used as concussive or physical energy or explosive. Some people can use very powerful explosive ki to even pierce through human tissue like Freiza using death beam on Vegeta. Light burns through things so true Buu can regenerate but Kizaru can use a powerful light beam to cause an explosion to completly burn up Buu.

Well that is true there would be water it's a large island with tons of land. Well Luffy has more physical strength and speed than DBZ characters except maybe Vegito who almost has his level of speed but not strength. A pond? Luffy is too fast for them to hit and taking out a character who's not even close to being the stronegst won't help.

How about Whitebeard his Gura Gura no mi makes him invincible so far he can wipe out pretty much anyone. Eneru can breath in space and has an army of Spaceys remember that.

One thing about the power and speed of DBZ chars. I said this once before but I'll say it just to magnify how fucking powerful they really are.

Goku's KaioKen X20 Kamehameha was stopped by 50% power Frieza with one hand. KaioKen X20 means Goku raised multiplied his power by 20 times. When Goku turned SSJ, 100% Power Frieza couldn't nearly contend to him. DBZwiki states that SSJ power up is your base lv times 50.

A standard building will go up to 70 tons, so Luffy moved about 140 tons. For kicks and giggles we'll even say Luffy moved 300 tons by moving two buildings. This is generous because guess what? Trucks don't go past 2 tons in itself, which means buildings won't go past 80 tons at the most except for large skyscrapers which may go up to 150 tons.

KaioKen X20 effect on 40 tons: 800 tons
SSJ effect: Much more than 800 tons (2000 tons according to DBZ Wiki)

Also the speed applies too so multiply the base speed (Which is disappearing already) times 20 and times 50.

Now do you realize how fucking stupid those claims are that Luffy is stronger and faster than DBZ chars?

No i don't Kaioken does not increase speed and strength only power.

Dude, and what is power? Come on, we have to agree that if they use ki to increase their own strength and speed, and if the SSJ and Kaioken increases the power of their ki, by default, it increases their speed and strength.

DBZ dosen't have super strength it's a martial arts anime there strength is nothing compare dto OP's PHYSICAL strength.

Don't be dumb
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Kaioken

In normal form, Vegeta handled Goku like a charm. In Triple kaioken, his punches made him bleed and Vegeta couldn't even follow his moves.

They don't haev super strength. OP is stronger,faster, and more powerful. Boa Hancock can own hte DBZverse excect Goku in base form in which Luffy can own her.

What do you mean? You really think the fighters of DBZ would feel lust for Boa? Okay, maybe Krillin and the other humans. (plus the half saiyans)

BUT, Goku and Vegeta...not a chance. And any alien would be like "Wtf, that think is ugly!!"

Dude it's not just lust anyone with negative thoughts my friend ANYONE! Goku is immune to due him only being an idiot or simple like Goku or in large amounts of pain.

Boa simply uses her powers to kill everyone with negative thoughts and leaves Goku's base form to luffy. It's not just lust any emotion. Aliens have negative thoughts, and so does Vegeta. Lust is not the only negative thought plus you forget Crocodile can drain the moisture out of you meaning Goku since he's the only pure and simple minded.

Well Nappa might survive as well since he's an idiot so Ace can burn them alive with his ultimate Death bomb rip off attack and Aokiji can freeze them. Luffy can ko them and Jango can control them. Crocodile can take their moisture and Eneru can shock them to death

No other emotion other than Lust has been used. Just cause they say, doesn't make it true right? your rule.

Goku is a MASTER is battles. he's an idiot outside, but not in the battle. He'd get Crocodile's weakness in a flash.

They've survived WAY worse stuff than what Eneru can do.

And don't bring up Jango...for the love of GOD! That man is a hack. By the time he'd finish saying "one,two, Jango", he would already be dead ten times over.

The only people that are truly a challenge here, are

Kizaru
Eneru cause they can't kill him
Ace
Smoke cause they can't kill him

I can't remember if there is any other Logia that has the same properties as those guys, but I think that's it.
Croc would just get vaporized. Same for Aokiji. They're elements are "solid", so energy works on them. You gonna deny that?

Smoke can be killed if caught off guard. One hit is all a Z fighter needs.

And as you said lol, Goku is a master in battle. Vegeta and Piccolo are as well. They'd find a way around Eneru. Rubber can stop him. And then once he's hit by rubber, Eneru is gone because then he's vulnerable probably.

No other emotions have been used anyone with negative thoughts anything negative meaning unless your in pain or your simple/ idiotic your going to be stone. Only Nappa and Goku could survive.

Dude what the heck this is retarded! Seriously This a straight up fight between Goku and Crocodile to see who's stronger not to see who's stronger with Weaknesses.

Jango can own them all my friend he''d wipe Goku and Nappa out after Hancock beat everyone.

It's sad when people overate DBZ the power levels in the show aren't really that strong.

Threats
Kizaru
Eneru
Ace
Smoker

Aokiji, Crocodile, and BB can't be beaten!MY GOOOOOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! Logia's are invinicible. You can't "Catch them off guard" no your getting silly. ONLY HAKI CAN DESTROY LOGIA'S!

Kizaru
Eneru
Ace
Smoker
Aokiji
Crocodile
BB
Luffy
Zoro(w Asura)


Also the one who is the most helpful one Jewlery Bonney she has the power to manipulate the age of others meaning she can turn the Z fighters into kids or age them into weaklings. With this she can make them all the weak kids with very little power DB level power and BB just eats them with a black hole.

Taken right from One Piece Wiki http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Smoker

At this point he doesn't appear to have any exploitable weakness, like Crocodile, due to his ability to be intangible. However, as he has not trained his power to the extent of Crocodile or Eneru, he is not always in a perpetual state of smoke, and thus he can be harmed if he is caught off guard, such as when he and Ace were unintentionally beaten (for a few seconds) by Luffy in their second encounter.

So Smoker can be killed if caught off guard.


By the way, I read up on Haki, and all it really does is exploit weaknesses. If you found another way to exploit their weakness, you could kill a Logia. They aren't invincible.

Not anymore. Logia aren't invincilbe Haki is the only method to kill them.

Not.

Throw water on Cro and he can be hit
Eneru is vulnerable to rubber

Zoro...dude, I like Zoro, but don't even bring him into this.

I'm going to say this again. Only logia's whose element is INTANGIBLE, meaning, an element we can't grab, are a threat. Everything else is forfeit.

Aokiji can be destroyed by totally vaporizing him, leaving him no chance to regenerate. Even if he IS ice, completely vaporize him and he dies. Same for Crocodile.

Of course, they aren't going to bring this up in OP as a weakness, because no one is OP can FREAKING VAPORIZE!! Just cause it isn't said, doesn't mean it's not a weakness.

And like Viral said, Smoke and Ace are vulnerable off guard. So, all the Z fighters need to do, is quickly throw them into the sea water.

Finally, Jango is a little bitch:

"Jango possesses the power of hypnosis, which he uses to put people to sleep, to make Captain Kuro's crew far more powerful and fierce and to serve other purposes necessary to help fulfill his plans. His only technique is named One, Two, Jango (ワン・ツー・ジャンゴ) which are the words he says to perform the hypnosis. He is not, however, perfect with his hypnosis - when he puts people to sleep, he usually falls asleep as well. And when he hypnotizes the crew to make them stronger (to the point of being able to crush part of a cliff with ease), he also accidentally hypnotizes Monkey D. Luffy - with unpleasant results. According to the answer to some fan mail Eiichirō Oda received, Jango gained his powers after eating a mushroom that had grown on his chin while he was sleeping. He only ate the cap and the trunk of the mushroom still resides on his chin (whether or not this is a joke from Oda or not is yet to be proven"

Quoted from the One Piece Wikia. He needs to say those three words. he'd be dead by the time he finishes

As for Boa Hancock:

This Devil Fruit's basic power is to allow the user to turn people into stone. This occurs when Hancock's hands form a heart shape, and beams are shot out of the shape. Anyone with "dirty thoughts" will be turned into stone and the effect is so powerful that regardless of species or gender it can effect them. As Hancock proved, she was also able to reverse the petrification process if she chooses so, but it is unknown if she could do this if the victim is petrified within a certain period of time, or she can do it to anyone who ever became petrified because of her ability.[2]

While the fruit's powers uses the focused lust of the opponents to fuel the petrification, if the intended targets have no lust towards Hancock, then the powers are nullified. This can be either being distracted by other emotions, such as pain and fear, or if they are so noble and good hearted they simply have no lust to begin with. Monkey D. Luffy is the only character seen immune to the effects, though he believed the attack aimed at him to be an attack from Foxy's Noro Noro no Mi. Later, it was revealed that Luffy's immunity was due to him being completely oblivious to lust due to his own stupidity.

Again, from the OP wikia.

As you can see, "dirty thoughts" applies ONLY TO LUST! No other emotion has been used. Bring me a scan where she uses any other emotion other than lust, and I'll believe you.

So. In conclusion. Only:

Kizaru
Eneru
Ace
Smoker
(The later two if they are prepared)

Only these guys pose a threat. Start falling into reality Chu.