Heroes vs Bleach (All-out)

by Chulance Mon May 24, 2010 9:22 am

Rules
1. All characters from each series, even one's that are deceased, are allowed in this fight, so Barragan, and Daphne can engage in combat.
2. This occurs in Bleach-verse, although neither sides have prep.
3. Characters gain their full power, so Peter has EM.
4. Alternate versions of characters can be used such as Hollow Ichigo, or Future Peter.
5. Each side is bloodlusted, and going for the kill.

Who wins?

by lol1991 Mon May 24, 2010 11:22 am

Aizen beats them all

by Chulance Mon May 24, 2010 11:48 am

Er...can you describe how? This is the ENTIRE Heroes verse. <<

Have you forgotten Hiro can stop time?

by lol1991 Mon May 24, 2010 11:51 am

Aizen would appear to be stopped, and then Hiro gets stabbed from behind

Aizen says: "When did you start thinking that you stopped time?"

Also Gin can pretty much keep a 13 km distance from the battle and selectively snipe the heroes off one by one at a speed of 500 times the speed of sound using Kamishine no Yari. Hiro can't react to that.

by Chulance Mon May 24, 2010 11:56 am

Wait wait, that's Aizen's broken illusion power correct? But can't Hiro just time before that happens, and I know how he can escape the illusion.

He can rewind time, or use Temporal Rewind. If so he can rewind to before he's being illusion's, then stop time, and go for the kill. Your right about him not being able to react, but what if he stopped time before the attack?

You think snipes will take down all the heroes? You forget the speedsters Peter, Matt's agent, Edgar, and Daphne they can take Gin down technically.

by lol1991 Mon May 24, 2010 12:22 pm

You fail to comprehend that 500 times the speed of sound is faster than any hero speedster moves. I doubt the heroes reach the speed of sound, or if they do just barely. I've never seen then break the sound barrier (minus Nathan when he's flying)
And 500 times that?

Plus Gin is a shinigami himself, he's got shunpu so he isn't slow

And Aizen's illusions are easy to make. All he needs to do is unsheathe is sword. people with bankai can do their shikai without calling out the name remember? And Hiro wont know this. He'll think Aizen is just pulling out his sword. I mean, Hiro wouldn't attack right off the bat for that. he's a more calculating fighter.

And so far I'm only using Gin and Aizen. There's Urahara, the Vizards, Yamamoto, the captains, the Espada, Ichigo, etc.

by Chulance Mon May 24, 2010 12:28 pm

Er that's not try, it may be 500, but how fast has Gin moved, give me speed feats? Daphne has been able to travel across the world in seconds, was able to out speed another speedster, and was able to move at super speeds while carrying both Matt, AND Ando, and she wasn't even slowed down, she got from Kansas to NYC in less then a second.

What are Gin's feats, let's compare feats, not numerical stats plz. xD Also Nathan breaks the sound barrier, Daphne is way faster then him <<. So give me feats on how fast Shunpu is. <<

Has gin traveled across the world in seconds? Also did you read the rules, this is a bloodlusted fight, the characters are out to kill as soon as the fight starts. Hiro will stop time, plus he's a manga/comic fan. Then you forget Matt, Maury, and Charles, the trio of telepaths. They all can render them-selves undetectable, and control the Bleach characters have them fight each other. Razz

I've got plenty of other characters to whip out as well. Very Happy

Tracy, Samuel, Future Peter, DL, Sylar, The Company, ect

by Chulance Mon May 24, 2010 12:31 pm

Also how many people can Aizen put in his Illusion spell at once? Can he put something in an illusion that he can't see?

by lol1991 Mon May 24, 2010 1:48 pm

Aizen just needs to unsheathe is sword to put anyone he wants in an illusion. That's it. That's how is shikai works.

And It isn't Gin's speed, it's his swords speed. Gin has cut an entire section of buildings in half easily, and his sword moves so fast Ichigo, a powerful shinigami that's used to fighting at high speeds can't even see it.

Plus, in this case, numerical stats mater because it's whats stated as Gin's power.

His bankai allows his sword to extend to 13 km at a speed of 500 times the speed of sound

by Chulance Mon May 24, 2010 2:53 pm

Doesn't he have to say the name of His Shikia? Anyway Hiro can easily stop time, and take Aizen's sword, sure Aizen has his godlike kido, and what not but without illusion hax he'll actually have to fight the Heroes.

I need more feats then that, movement speed is better then regular combat speed. I can do rapid punches, but It dosen't mean It can move as fast as I can throw a punch <<. Do you get what I'm saying, Daphne is capable of speed-blitz, and has superior speed. She can travel the world in seconds, his bankai seems to be the issue in this case.

Daphne could take Gin, with Ando's help. Ando can supercharge her, and she can become FTL, allowing her to go back in time, and murder Gin as a kid.

Then Heroes has a new power-house, an energy manipulator, with extreme levels of power, who could probably take out a good chunk of the Heroes-verse, not to mention the Company, Pinehearst, The World Government ect.

by Chulance Mon May 24, 2010 2:58 pm

Also don't forget Candice also has illusions, as well as Future Sylar, so more then likely for this debate they should be immune to Aizen's ability since both have the "same" ability technically.

Sort of like in the Heroes vs one piece debate, where Tracy was comparable to a "water logia".

by Setsuna F. Seiei Mon May 24, 2010 3:50 pm

Aizen wins because he is responsible for canceling heroes "Just as Planned"

by Chulance Mon May 24, 2010 3:56 pm

<< that made..no sense. xD Got a good laugh.

by lol1991 Mon May 24, 2010 4:15 pm

It's a meme within the Bleach community

Aizen is know as a god tier troll that can troll across dimensions.

by Chulance Mon May 24, 2010 4:34 pm

Back..to the debate.

by Setsuna F. Seiei Mon May 24, 2010 4:41 pm

Peter Petrelli wrote:<< that made..no sense. xD Got a good laugh.

by 4Neodemon Tue May 25, 2010 6:18 am

Thats a good one, Setsuna...ehehe

Of course the bleach verse would win!!

First: Heroes verse are "just" humans with powers... If they are hit by an hollow or shinigami, they are death!! Bleach characters can be punched trought mountains/buidings and come back to take a lemonade!!

Second: Hiro can travel back in time before seeing Aizen's ability... thats a fact (since they are bloodlusted)!! BUT how in the hell can he kill the shinigamis or the hollows?? They live in the Soul society and Hueco mundo respectively...lol... he cant go there... plus even if they were on Earth, he would not know where they are...!!
And even if Hiro slow downs time he cant do nothing against the Bleach characters... remember Daphne?? when Hiro did that to her, she was fast enought to broke the effect of Hiro's power!! well Bleach characters are also faster as hell... we can assume that the same thing would happen (since we are mixing universes).

Third: Only few Heroes have power enought to deal with some Bleach characters (like the telepaths)... but thats it! Only a few can not win against many...

by Chulance Tue May 25, 2010 9:33 am

Neodemon your logic is flawed.

So your saying..if Goku was attacked by a large amount of people, he'd loose? Cuz few can't eat masses? Also that's retarded, they won't all be taken down by one punch, lots of the characters in Heroes are extremely powerful.

The fight takes place on earth Neo, on earth. Also Daphne is way faster then anyone in the Bleach-verse, they all have combat speed, not actual speed. Daphne has both, the speedsters in Heroes are much faster then people in Bleach.

Hiro can go back in time, and kill all the Shinigami/Hollows when they where regular humans it's his ability. Plus since you brought in Telepaths, they can make everyone fight each other <<

by Setsuna F. Seiei Tue May 25, 2010 12:50 pm

Peter Petrelli wrote:Neodemon your logic is flawed.

So your saying..if Goku was attacked by a large amount of people, he'd loose? Cuz few can't eat masses? Also that's retarded, they won't all be taken down by one punch, lots of the characters in Heroes are extremely powerful.

The fight takes place on earth Neo, on earth. Also Daphne is way faster then anyone in the Bleach-verse, they all have combat speed, not actual speed. Daphne has both, the speedsters in Heroes are much faster then people in Bleach.

Hiro can go back in time, and kill all the Shinigami/Hollows when they where regular humans it's his ability. Plus since you brought in Telepaths, they can make everyone fight each other <<

Dude do you know that Bleach Shinigami and hollow have to die before they shinigami or Hollows? I'm not choosing sides or saying who's going to win but that was kinda of dumb.

by Chulance Tue May 25, 2010 1:48 pm

Ah you make a good point.

As for Shinigami, they can kill them as children, but I see the Hollows as being the main threat. I suppose Ando can supercharge the Telepaths, and have the Hollows, Espada ,ect duke it out.

by 4Neodemon Tue May 25, 2010 2:36 pm

Peter Petrelli wrote:Neodemon your logic is flawed.

So your saying..if Goku was attacked by a large amount of people, he'd loose? Cuz few can't eat masses? Also that's retarded, they won't all be taken down by one punch, lots of the characters in Heroes are extremely powerful. <<

BUT... Im talking about captain level shinigamis and evolved hollow forms.... Could Goku defeat at the same time Trunks, Gohan and Vegeta??? No... it all depends of the power levels we are speaking of!!
All Heroes characters would be defeated if punched by some Bleach character... THEY ARE JUST HUMANS! The only exception would be Claire and other characters with such ability... the telepaths and the speedsters too... its hard to hit them...lol
BUT speedsters are just that... Even if they hit Ulquiorra (for example), nothing would happen to him!! So the biggest (and maybe the only) opponents would be the telepaths Sylar, Peter and his father!

Peter Petrelli wrote:The fight takes place on earth Neo, on earth. Also Daphne is way faster then anyone in the Bleach-verse, they all have combat speed, not actual speed. Daphne has both, the speedsters in Heroes are much faster then people in Bleach.<<

im not going to discuss this particular issue... because speed is a thing i just can not understand/judge or rate... for me its all the same...LOL... characters simply disappear in front of my eyes... for me they all are faster enought Laughing

Peter Petrelli wrote:Hiro can go back in time, and kill all the Shinigami/Hollows when they where regular humans it's his ability. Plus since you brought in Telepaths, they can make everyone fight each other <<

BUT how in the hell Hiro can find the shinigamis when they were kids or normal humans?? he is not omniscient...lol... thats the thing i was talking about in my previous post...
The telepaths are powerfull... but in the Heroes verse , their power is limited... they can not use it in a large number of individuals... in the other side we have Aizen that can use his power on everyone (that saw his shikai)...

by Chulance Tue May 25, 2010 3:25 pm

I see your point. But there are several abilities Heroes has on it's side to avoid getting instant koed, you mentioned Claire, and speedsters but don't forget DL, Tracy ect.

As for speedsters, well yeah, but they can avoid damage, but there useless, they can't hurt people who have insane durability. But your wrong DL, Candice, Matt Jr. and Canfield will also be major players on the Heroes side.

Fine then we don't argue speed. no more insanity from me either.

Dude stop asking questions, Hiro goes back in time kills them, he finds people all the time. xD Hiro can just stop time, and kill everyone TBH, I see your point. He can't just "Find" people, so why not kill them all? He'd fine them as Shinigami BTW, not normal humans. Again your wrong, did you watch Season 3?

The Telepaths can affect large groups of people. Ando can supercharge Telepaths, so if Ando supercharges ALL the telepaths, they can control pretty much Hueco Mendo, and get them to duke it out.

by 4Neodemon Tue May 25, 2010 7:32 pm

Peter Petrelli wrote:

Dude stop asking questions, Hiro goes back in time kills them, he finds people all the time. xD Hiro can just stop time, and kill everyone TBH, I see your point. He can't just "Find" people, so why not kill them all? He'd fine them as Shinigami BTW, not normal humans. Again your wrong, did you watch Season 3?

The Telepaths can affect large groups of people. Ando can supercharge Telepaths, so if Ando supercharges ALL the telepaths, they can control pretty much Hueco Mendo, and get them to duke it out.

But the problem is finding them.... Not even Kubo Tite, the author of Bleach knows where the shinigamis lived when they were humans...LOL...
Im a big fan of Hiro, because his power is my favourite of all... time space manipulation is godlike!! BUT as i have said he is not omniscient... so travel back in time would be useless in this situation... maybe he could find one or two... but and about the arrancars? do you know how they are formed?? its impossible kill them as humans, because to an hollow become an arrancar he needs to eat other hollows, and when large ammounts of hollows are doing that to each other, a Gillian (Menos Grande) is formed... so i ask you another question (since you love them Smile

) : wich human to kill at the very beginning to prevent a specific arrancar to be formed?

Ya... we can assume that, with Ando's power, the telepaths could take down a lot of the Bleach characters ...its just a matter of who strikes first (in this case, the telepaths or Aizen)...

by Chulance Tue May 25, 2010 8:03 pm

I said Shinigami, not the hollows.

I said Hiro would kill every Shinigami as a kid, before they got Zanpkauto, kido, he'd kill EVERYONE, is all. I doubt Hiro could stop the Arracnar's formation, without killing everyone.

Anyway Time travel is getting stupid, I'll bring in the powers. Canfield can kill Aizen. Canfield can open Gravitational portals, sending things into oblivion. He'll send Aiden into one of the portals, then Ando + Telepaths means Bleach is screwed.

by 4Neodemon Wed May 26, 2010 5:51 am

what i mean, is that time travel, in this case, would not work, because the opponents are to fast and their past is unknown...thats it!

Canfield??
Common... he only could do that with the help of the telepaths!! Aizen would make Canfield killed trough his own power...lol...
Yamamoto is a city buster... he could kill everyone with a single blow!! (thats why i said Peter and Sylar could make something against the Bleach verse since both have nuclear power)

Telepaths, Peter, Sylar and Canfield as a team they could defeat Bleach, but only if they strike first... BUT as you know, hollows and shinigamis are invisible to a human eye... so i guess the Bleach characters would strike first and win!
Only D.L. could survive if he already had in phase mode, but its just a matter of time until he get killed!!

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