Dragonball Z discussion

I agree than a fighter becomes stronger by facing stronger enemies, and holding up to them even if loosing at the end, than just by training, so therefore krillin should be stronger than Ten Shin Han since has been involved in more fights against stronger oponents and survived.

Like Manji from the manga blade of the inmortal said once: "Is not the same training in a dojo than fighting swordsmen every day of your life until you puke blood"

But Ten is not that bad, I mean he held off Second Form Cell and even managed to cut down Majin Buu, even if that just stoped him for a little bit.

About Buu, is not about rational and irrational, Kid Buu is the pure unadultarated form of Buu the original one, he then "eat" two Dai Kayo Samas (or whatever they where called), the strong one (that made him become Super Buu) and the Fat one (turning him into fat buu), absorving this two guys, specially the last one, made him weaker, is like they hindered him from relazing his full power.

i think of the forms of Buu without fusing with the Z-Senshi, Kid Buu is without a doubt the most powerful as he let go off all that was holding him down.

And whatever is in the companion books should be taken as cannon, even if it doesn´t make much sense.

Kid buu is not the strongest Superbuu is he's moer rational and intelligent. Kid buu is a killing machine first thing he did was blow up a planet. He's the most dangerous. Thankyou Sure Krillin shouldn't be SSJ Goku level he is. Krillin fought against stronger opponents he fought Piccolo Jr. in dragonball and Tien faced Goku playing around.

Tien trained the most and Krillin had more experience. He batteled on namek and faced much more dangers.

^Look, tell me, where did you find information that Akira said that?
I mean...damn bro, looks to me that you have double standards- You discredit Wikia so easily, but in the same time you trust some unreliable source, and you trust it only 'cause you want to believe in that ridiculous fantasy that Krillin reached 150 000 000.
I'll go with the Wikia, and with the explanation Lol'91 put- because it's reasonable and it's based on what really happened in anime.

Anime Goku wrote:Cool for you but in reality Krillin owns Tien Fanboi? This is some new term? Also I just go by the creator Akira said Krillin was SSJ power so he is. I can edit the wikia and no one ever changes it I did it once to prove it to my friend than I put it back the way it was. Goku was at 15,000,000 and Freiza was at 12,000,000 that's a fact and nothing anybody says will change that.

No it dosen't make since it does not no no it dosen't wikia lies. That's a lie yes yes it is! Frieza was 1,000,000 got a little higher than skyrockted to 15,000,000. No No Goku was in the low millions till SSJ brought him to 15,000,000 yes yes.

Facts
Krillin is stronger than Tien

Tien died fighitng Nappa. Krillin faced beings like Nappa,Frieza, ect. Heck he fought 17 as a senior citizen he faced much stronger opponents.
Goku's first SSJ pl was 15,000,000
The game DBZ Saga's even agree's.

Alright then. Keep being stuburn, but you just gave me reason. You said Goku was in the low millions. Then double 1 million x 20...if Frieza was at 15 million, then Goku would have killed him with the kamehameha kaioken x20. And there is no amount of anything that can change basic math and common sense. Not even the creators words.

Krillin never reached 150,000,000 he reached 15,000,000. No one in the Namek saga had 150,000,000. Nope nope your wrong Kaioken dosen't double it increases slightly the higher the number the more it increases he was in 2,000,000 at most and Frieza at max was 12,000,000 and Goku at max was 15,000,000. That's facts and nothing you say can change me from believing facts so let's discuss something else about DBZ?

Why didn't Oolong wish for 300 armed girls that obeyed him instead of panties? He could have used the girls to own Pilaf,Mai,Shu, and the dog squad?

So ha Goku's pl was 15,000,000!

Anime Goku wrote:So ha Goku's pl was 15,000,000!

Still, no way Krillin was that strong. And Arika is full of shit if he said Krillin was.

No he told the truth Krillin faced powerful opponents and trained he was more experience and by the end after training for a long time in Other world he finally reached Goku's SSJ level.

There's no way that Krillin reached even 15 000 000.
What facts? XD Nothing that I have seen in DBZ could be the proof for that.
Dude you're being crazy. If you want to believe in that, that's OK, but keep it to yourself if you don't have any proof.

I'm sorry I don't have proof but Akira said that let's discuss why Oolong didn't wish for 300 armed girls who listen to him instead of panties? He could have got panties if he got thr 300 damn girls and he could have beaten Pilaf!

^I know dude, but you keep saying:"Akira said it." And you gotta understand us- it's hard for us to believe you on that. But yes, movin' on- Wow...erm...he haven't had the time to think about his wish...so he made a simple wish, said the first thing that he desires. I also don't know if wishing for slave humans is possible..coughAladincough. :/

Shenron has certain restrictoins and slave humans isnt' one of them. Ah that's not true Oolong was standing their for a LONG time and he already had a wish in mind!

^Meh, who cares. He was standing there for a long time, but there was a lot of commotion there. It's in his character to wish for a pair of panties, so don't think about what would a reasonable person with the obsession for panties wished for.
EDIT: It's quite simple when you think about it. I mean-if he had wished for slave-girls then what message would you be sending to children, adolescents and adults watching it? What would be the difference then between him and Pilaf?
If I had been involved in the creation of DB I wouldn't have it any other way.

Anime Goku wrote:No he told the truth Krillin faced powerful opponents and trained he was more experience and by the end after training for a long time in Other world he finally reached Goku's SSJ level.

BUT Kuririn is no Sayan... he do not evolve or get stronger only because he face a powerfull opponent... what experience??? Kuririn was always defeated in one or two scams, he practilly do not have the chance to practice his skills..lol.. remember, sometimes that also happens to Vegeta, but he is a sayan.. and sayans get stonger after being kicked in their asses

So kuririn only get stronger after training (like an normal human)... and if the fight is balanced then he get some experience and can "upgrade" his skills!!! But once again i say, he can not get high and ridiculous PL only because he face 2 or 3 opponents!! Kuririn with the same PL as Freeza??? That is ridiculous, because its supposed, humans being a weak race, and even the ones that have the ability to manipulate ki\chi, their PL never should be so high

Supersayans are a legendary race.. putting an human with their powerlevels, just kill the concept of the sayans being special!!

^Yes it is ridiculous. But you can't say he didn't progressed because of the fights either. It's just that he haven't progressed as much as some people would like to believe.

yes, he make some progress, but 15 000 000??? WTF?? i agree wih you... its iompossible!!
Plus until this discussion i thought that Freeza power level was 1 000 000...lol... i was so wrong!! now i understand why a lot of DBZ fans say the PLs do not make any sense... i totally agree with them!!
they should explain that better in the anime\manga...

^Hehe, chill bro, that is established, so we're movin' on. No need to power-up.
So...what's your opinion on the issue of Bulma getting together with Vegeta?

I think he just kinda went stupid with the wish.
About the whole Kaioken not doubling.
It's the kaioken x2 because it doubles the power. So kaioken x20, increases it by 20 times the original.

No, not in my opinion just increases a few thousand. Anyway Yeah your right Bulma should have married Yamcha or the latter should have married somone. Tien should have married Launch damn it he should settle down!

Anime Goku wrote:No, not in my opinion just increases a few thousand. Anyway Yeah your right Bulma should have married Yamcha or the latter should have married somone. Tien should have married Launch damn it he should settle down!

That's the point. No matter how strong Goku got, Tien always wanted to keep up, just like in Dragon Ball. He kept traning because of that.
And the kaioken thing is stupid...x 20 means x 20 damn it...at least it should.

Yeah it was unfair but they really messed up the humans Krllin is the only one who got married.

ningen wrote:^Hehe, chill bro, that is established, so we're movin' on. No need to power-up.
So...what's your opinion on the issue of Bulma getting together with Vegeta?

I liked that...lol!! Akira really surprised me with that decision, because i always though Bulma would married Yamcha!!!
They look good together

And Tien should married Launch... the blond one...