DBZverse vs Onepeice vs

Rules
1.Both verses can use all Cannon skills
2. Luffy has Night-mare luffy
3.It happens on a massive island

The DBZverse would take the OPverse down. A SSJ1 Vegeta, Gohan or Goku could take down Luffy and there's far more powerful stuff than SSJ1

You have to explain in detail how that is possible Viral. The OPVerse has SEVERAL advantages the main being Haki and logia's. Haki is a powerful energy there are few users Rayleigh can paralyize people just by using one burst of Haki so he can just knock out whoever you say is immune to damage. Logia's can use infinite elemental power and become intangible. Ace can wipe out the warriors burn them alive. Luffy is faster and stronger than the SSJ's we've proven that in another topic. Luffy can beat the crap out of the SSJ's before they blow him up.

I never agreed Luffy was stronger than a SSJ. I say that in pure strength with no power ups, Luffy is stronger that Goku. That is truth, as SSJ counts as a power up.
However, there are no such limitations here, and saying that Luffy is physically stronger than a SSJ is pure craziness. The sheer power boost they receive from the ki burst of the SSJ form is powerful enough to move mountains (refer to Buu vs Goku, before the later turned SSJ3)

Then, one needs to account for the fact logia users can't even see Vegito kick their asses. Vegito would just blast them to hell before they even turned to their logia forms.

Finally, Haki is a form of energy that is largely unexplained, but, it seems to be comparable to riatsu bursts they use in Bleach when they want to scare other people shitless, at which case, DBZ can easily handle those energy bursts.

Oh in physical strength ki is a factor but Luffy and others are much faster and stronger than DBZ character's lol. Dude that's impossible logia's transform on extinct. Ace owns the group. Haki is explained Rayleigh can cause insta paralassis and logia's like Eneru are faster than Vegito. Kizaru moves FTL so he's about Vegito's speed and more powerful/

Dude, Kizaru as been shown to destroy and island...let's just pick up anything above Frieza that can destroy a planet...

The only other time a physical blow may hurt the user is when he or she is caught off guard, as this gives the user no time to mentally change into their elemental form. However, the powers of a Logia can be trained to counter this problem, an example being Crocodile's, who honed his abilities to the point of being able to turn on his powers as a reflex to a blow.

Straight from the One Piece Wikia...here http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Logia (turn to weaknesses)

As you can see, they can be caught off guard. And furthermore, if Logia users like Ace have been beaten in the past, it means they have their limits, which, lets face it, DBZ can make them reach.

No this is a straight up fight dude so they instant go logia. Do you know the one time Ace lost was to Black-beard know how BB can supress the powers of logia's. DBZ can't so Ace destroys them as DBZ guys aren't immune to fire and Eneru can breath in space so yeah OP wins. DBZ can't win tell me how? Luffy is faster and stronger he can own them and Eneru and Ace can kill them. Crocodile can drain the moisture out of them and Kizaru can move at the speed of light. Aokiji has iceman level powers

Never as it been stated that Aokiji is anywhere near Iceman.

And as for the black beard thing, I forgot about that sorry. But, even so, it's also been stated that Crocodile exhibits a level of control far above any other fruit user, so, his instant turning into sand is probably unique to him at this point.

And don't tell me that Vegito can't blast them away before they turn into their logia forms. He can do it.

At the time when Crocodile was introduced he had the most power and control now that's changed. Aokiji can pretty much wipe out most fighters by using Ice Ag. Logia's never loose except rare times.

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Crocodile loss because Luffy used mizu mizu form
Eneru lost because Luffy is made of rubber
Ace lost due to BB supressing his powers

They never loose without some sort of thing. The only way to beat them is the level of Haki people like Luffy,Rayleigh, and Shanks have. Than some of the Jolly Rodger pirtates. Rayleigh is 100 times stronger than the eleven supernova's combined plus his godly haki and he can move at light speed without a devil fruit.

Kizaru is basically light you try to hurt them even before they become their element there attacks phase right through them. Luffy is near immune to blunt force and with Gears pretty much owns DBZ-verse. Logia's, haki, and luffy. Sanji and Zoro have greater strength, speed, and endurance than all DBZ characters except Majin buu.

Sorry, but to say that Luffy is faster and stronger than SSJs is ludicrous. When
Tien was fighting a Saibaman in the Saiyan saga, they were moving faster than a normal eye could see. When do you EVER see Luffy fighting that fast?

Take Tien's power and speed, multiply it by roughly 6 for Goku's over 8000 power, THEN multiply that power and speed up to 150 million power. The speed increase is so significant, that Goku was hard to follow BY FRIEZA.

Oh and you can multiply that more because Goku, Vegeta and Trunks got a hell of a lot stronger in the android and Cell sagas without even turning SSJ2.

Luffy is near immune to blunt force and with Gears pretty much owns DBZ-verse. Logia's, haki, and luffy. Sanji and Zoro have greater strength, speed, and endurance than all DBZ characters except Majin buu.

Cmon, Chu. You know better than to pull a stunt like that. Chou Gohan, SSJ3 Gotenks, and SSJ3 Goku>>Majin Buu (Assuming this is the fat one). Even Super Buu is not the most powerful of them.



Zoro almost died from a few slashes from Hawkeye's blade. Android 17 and 18 stop blades like nothing. Luffy is also weak against blades which means he favors bad against Mirai Trunks. The Supreme Kai can paralyze any OPverse chars and Cell can absorb them while paralyzed. This is a no brainer

This is turning out to be an awesome debate. Anwyay how is that Viral? Luffy is faster and stronger than SSJ's. I'll explain in detail counting cannon material only Goku at the end of the Buu Saga struggled to lift 40 tons until he became an SSJ when he claimed it was too easy then. Buidlings way hundreds of tons Luffy when tired and beat up managed to push TWO buildings aside easy compare that to Goku's 40 tons. Luffy fights much more faster than the DBZ fighters. Luffy can fight very fast and a good example is his Jet Gomu Gomu no Grappling.



All you see is the wind from his punches and this is his finishing attack meaning he's tired at full speed it's faster. Luffy is faster than SSJ Goku he just can't fly. Also power dosen't mean speed by the way. Luffy moves faster than Goku and has DBZ level strength. He has more strength feets can Goku push a building no he never did. I meant in taking damage Majin Buu can regenerate the OP characters can take more damage than every DBZ warrior aside from Buu.

Zoro almost died from a few slashes? Know then this is where I know your OP knowlege is limited as this was early on he is much stronger he can toss buidlings around and managed to battle Luffy. Later on he can stabbed impalled and drenched in blood and feel no pain. He's more durable than 17 and 18. He can shatter blades with his bare hands like the androids. He can own Miria Trunks he's faster and stronger. He has Haki as well. Supream Kai your joking he couldn't use his paralasis on Buu it's never even worked on any character. Cell can't absorb them he can't absorb light Kizaru is light can move at light speed and own the DBZ-verse.

Supreme Kai paralyzed SSJ2 Gohan. Cell can absorb any kind of energy.

That gif shows wind of a ton of punches by Luffy, but OP characters do not have nearly the reaction time as the DBZ people do. This fight is only a glimpse of it. http://www.youtube.co/watch?v=qQVna1mxOCE

They slow DBZ down because you wouldn't be able to follow any of it. Raditz was stated to move the speed of light by Piccolo. Like you see characters disappear and reappear and all that jazz, but then you have the real characters who say they can't follow any of it.

That fight that looked so slow...Gohan was the only one that could follow it, it was THAT fast. That gatling punch thing from Luffy could be sidestepped easily by Goku or Cell in that fight. They were only toying with each other by the way


Also, I haven't even added the Ki element yet. Just powering up makes the freaking earth quake. Piccolo destroyed the moon in the Saiyan saga from Earth. Frieza destroyed Namek in one sitting. Just Vegeta and Goku powering up against each other in the Saiyan Saga caused transmissions to bug out and even break Bulma's scouter.


Like I said, there is no way Luffy is faster than a SSJ like Goku. Neither as powerful.

Okay don't make up crap! Seriously Supream Kai never used paralasis on SSJ2 Gohan and another thing Gohan only went SSJ2 at the world tournament plus he was much weaker than when he faced Cell. Cell can't absorb energy that's only Android 19, and Android 20. They can't absorb pure energy they can absorb energy from people or ki blasts. Kizaru is light and can move at light speed or through reflections so tell me where does it say DBZ people move at light speed.

Eneru can also move as fast as lightning so he and Kizaru are faster than all people in the DBZ-verse. The picture was not wind that was Luffy punching the wind was his fists if you see clearly. Also again you are wrong Raditz can not move at light speed for two reasons he said he could he claimed it and second that was only in the english dub not manga. They are moving fast but that's combat speed only Kizaru and various op guys with super speed own DBZ.

Dude Gatteling can't be side-stepped dude. Luffy punches fast in Gear Second he punches before you can react he punches before any DBZ warrior can react there punches aren't so fast they can pound someone of equal speed before they can react multiple times without stoppping. Wow powering up and causing earth-quakes is not a combat skill. Kizaru can easily wipe out large area's. Black-beard can absorb matter into a black-hole basically he can swalllow DBZ-characters.

True no one from OP can destroy the moon. But listen Luffy has more PHYSICAL strength than DBZ guys and Freiza had to use his ki blast to get to the core of Namek and it took a while. By then Kizaru would have cut him into peaces and blown up Maria Trunk's style. Luffy is faster and stronger. LUffy can push buildings and Goku struggled to lift 40 tons please use logic. Kizaru can move at the speed of light or through reflections. Eneru can breath in space so destroying the planet won't help and logia's don't need to breath.

Also post in Heroes verse vs DBZ verse.

Uh...Chu. You realize you barely used any material. You've been saying over and over that Luffy is faster and stronger than the DBZ characters. Quite frankly, I've been giving evidence that SSJs alone are faster. LUFFY DOES NOT DISAPPEAR NOR DO HIS PUNCHES, DBZ CHARS ACTUALLY DISAPPEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE MOVING SO FAST. The first two forms of Cell can absorb energy. Perfect Cell can't, though. This Kizaru who moves at light speed still would get owned. Shin Kikoho from Tien would keep him at bay.

I haven't even touched SSJ2 or further yet. I'm the one actually using logic. That 40 tons thing was in base form. SSJ can easily lift it, and SSJ2 more than doubles that power and SSJ3 more than triples SSJ2 power.

SSJ2 Gohan with two punches, almost killed Cell, who was taking punches from Goku and wasn't even damaged by Super Vegeta's normal melee.

Gatling can be sidestepped because like I said, the reaction time on DBZ chars are way way WAY above OP's. They manage to dodge each other's attacks while moving so fast that no one but someone of equal power can see.

I'm using tons of material my friend. Also I've been saying repeating what I'm saying to convince you I've offered proof. The CP9 have a technique which allows them to move at superhuman speeds similar to DBZ many can use it like Luci and Blueno. Anyway OPverse has more speed and I'll prove why in detail. The DBZverse relies on combat speed but their travel speed is slow. Ity takes them time to fly from place to place while Brooks has great combat and running speed. He is so fast he can run on water and Luffy has minor superhuman speeds that can be compared to Saiyan Saga level speed to Namek level speed.

By the time he reaches Gear Second his speed is around Buu Saga level a massive increase of speed. CP9 has Perfect Cell speed to Fat Buu speed. Luffy dissapears when he fights as Gear Second such as when he fights Lucci or Blueno. Do you know how fast the speed of light is? Not even Super Vegito could move at light speed Kizaru can move at light speed none can react to his movements except Rayleigh so far. Rayleigh is getting old and he can move at light speed and is 100 times stronger than the Eleven Supernova's. The first two forms of Cell can absorb life-energy with their tail not energy absorbtion like 19 and 20.

You can't absorb what you can't react too and Imperfect Cell has never absorbed pure energy with his tail and Kizaru is light by the way. He can move in reflections and fire beams of light that will tear through flesh. He can create a light blade to cut people up at light speed. Tien is not light speed give me proof the DBZ warriors are light speed. True SSJ forms triple increase power but where does it say they increase physical strength. DBZ has no strength feats Luffy pushed two buildings in base not to mention Gear 2nd or 3rd. Freiza in final form struggled to lift a third of a massive rock with Telekeinesis! Not even physical strength. How durable is Cell sure SSJ2 Gohan is strong but how much strenght does he have.

How strong is Cell? No one in DBZverse can push two buidlings or punch at a rapid rate faster than somone can react. Moria can take the DBZ-warriors shadows and that means when sunset comes there screwed. Anyway give me proof DBZ is faster Luffy and others fight at super speed later on like currently. Kizaru,Rayleigh, and Enel are the fastest we've seen not to mention Whitebeard is faster and stronger. You forgot haki which causes insta paralasis only other Haki users can stop it or Haki can knock you ko. Ace can burn the DBZ-warriors up. If the planet is blown up only Freiza,Cell, or Buu can breath in space. If Buu blows up the planet only he and Logia's survive. The latter can then tear Buu apart and go to Namek to get the DB's.

Proof, you just need to check the fight between Raditz and Piccolo/Goku.

Piccolo went for the SBC and Raditz side stepped, and then Piccolo said

"Impossible, he's faster than light"

Then, if you look at the fight between kid Buu and Goku, you will see that Goku pushed apart two gigantic mountains...in SSJ2. My problem is I can't remember the episode name, but for the love of god, if you can't remember that part you never watched DBE.

Dude, One Piece is simply on a weaker scale than DBZ. Most current Shonen Anime's are. It's very hard to find a Shonen anime or manga that reaches DBZ's level of strength.

Dude did you read what I just said? Raditz can not move at the speed of light that's an english dub line he never says that in the manga and you can only use things from the manga in this debate.

Anyway again Goku NEVER punched apart two mountations as SSJ2 you get me proof that he punched apart two mountaions but it has to be scans from the manga. So until then you've given me no proof no one is capapble of pushing apart two buildings.

What the heck there are tons of shouen beyond DBZ's levels I know thousands. You ignore everything I say. Black-Beard can control gravity and darkness. It's not always about who can blow up the earth. BB can absorb them into a black-hole! Ace can become pure fire DBZ characters are not fire proof. Crocodile can take their moisture, Moria can take their shadows, Jango can use hypnosis, Kuro can slash them up, Luffy can use gears, Zoro can use Asura to absorb energy aka Ki attacks. Eneru can move at lightning speed and electrecute them to death. Aokiji can simply freeze them he can freeze an ocean he can freeze things in the air by emitting cold air aka his Ice Age attack. How do they counter all of that?

My gosh. Physical strength doesn't increase by SSJ?! Super Vegeta couldn't even hurt Perfect Cell but USSJ2 Trunks could blow him away with a punch. The only problem was he couldn't touch him because his speed was too slow. The kicker is, HE WAS STILL DISAPPEARING! Luffy can barely disappear in Gear Second. The DBZ chars have been doing that since Raditz! Special Beam Cannon goes light speed, because it IS light. Raditz was able to dodge it which means he is faster than the speed of light.


Do you know what the speed of light means? If you are going the speed of light, you are visible, by pure definition. Only things going the speed of light or lower can catch your eye. Only if you focus with a high enough power in DBZ can you actually know what the hell they're doing. You can see what the OP characters do. They clearly don't go as fast as DBZ chars. Not even this Kizaru.


The power scale doesn't compare either. The power scale of Vegeta's Final Flash covered a portion of the entire Earth. Just from powering up to SSJ3, Goku almost destroyed a lot.

Physical strength may increase yes but that's not the point. No matter how much physical strength is increased they have not been capable of pushing a buildning not to mention two EASILy while INJURED. Luffy dissapears normally and with Gear Second he's beyond DBZ fighters in speed. No SPC is not light speed it's slow. No one in DBZ can move at the speed of light.

Raditz can not move at the speed of light SBC is a slow moving beam. No Kizaru moves at the speed of light he moves so fast you cannot see him that's the point. You can't harm logia's but you obviously ignore that factor. Kizaru is faster than DBZ characters. Wow that proves your a bad debater if somone can blow up a city and another person can kill people by looking at them of course the city buster is stronger cuz he makes biggah explozions!

That's crazy I'm winning this debate. Black-beard can create a black-hole and swallow them up. no one in DBZ can control gravity.

Kamina wrote:Physical strength may increase yes but that's not the point. No matter how much physical strength is increased they have not been capable of pushing a buildning not to mention two EASILy while INJURED. Luffy dissapears normally and with Gear Second he's beyond DBZ fighters in speed. No SPC is not light speed it's slow. No one in DBZ can move at the speed of light.

Raditz can not move at the speed of light SBC is a slow moving beam. No Kizaru moves at the speed of light he moves so fast you cannot see him that's the point. You can't harm logia's but you obviously ignore that factor. Kizaru is faster than DBZ characters. Wow that proves your a bad debater if somone can blow up a city and another person can kill people by looking at them of course the city buster is stronger cuz he makes biggah explozions!

That's crazy I'm winning this debate. Black-beard can create a black-hole and swallow them up. no one in DBZ can control gravity.

You don't listen either. Special Beam Canon IS light. That's the point of the whole damn move. SBC is not slow moving AT ALL. IT FUCKING HIT SSJ2 GOHAN AND MADE HIS ARM GO OUT. Kizaru moves at the speed of light, but all he does is shoot beams out of his hands and kicks. Kizaru does not move faster than DBZ characters and neither does Gear Second Luffy. You can't see DBZ chars either when they disappear AND THE ANIME ITSELF IS SLOWED DOWN, One Piece IS NOT. Like I said, if the anime was as fast as it was really going, you wouldn't see anything until one person fell.

You can harm logias. Kizaru was cut in half although he could regenerate. If his entire body was engulfed in a blast, he'd dissipate and die. As for physical strength, Goku was having trouble lifting 40 tons, but do you know how much 40 tons is? That's 80,000 LBS. In SSJ, he can lift more than 200 tons (which is MORE than two buildings put together) because a SSJ boost goes up extreemly high. You wanna know how I know this?

Goku was ABSOLUTELY Helpless against Frieza until his KaioKen X20 WHICH MEANS HIS NORMAL POWER MULTIPLIED 20 TIMES AND HE STILL WASN'T AS POWERFUL AS FRIEZA. HIS SSJ BOOST MADE HIM MUCH STRONGER WHICH MEANS MULTIPLY 40 TIMES AT LEAST 21...THATS 840 TONS. THAT'S ONLY A BASE SSJ TOO. Goku reached Full Power SSJ which means even more. SSJ2 and SSJ3 Multiply that power by hell knows how much.

As for Blackbeard, his black holes take a while to generate....yes I watched his black hole against Ace and all. Any DBZ character with Ki can just blast his ass before they slowly go in. Why did you even bring him up? Ace did this and he was fine with it.


You are not winning this debate. lol and I have a good idea of what is going on here. The bulk of your posts consist of "Luffy is faster than the DBZ chars, Kizaru is fast as light, faster than DBZ chars, They are too strong for them" That kind of stuff. City buster isn't half of it, buddy. Nappa pointed two fingers up and destroyed a city. He was around 4000 when he did that. Vegeta was at least 18,000 and possibly over 20,000. That's 4 and a half to 5 cities as large as the one Nappa killed. That's like watching your entire state blowing up in one shot. Vegeta's Galick Gun was around 23,000 and was said to be able to destroy the earth. SSJ Goku is said to be 150,000,000! Even if Physical strength went to Luffy (which it doesn't), The power of Ki would destroy any of them...EVEN Kizaru.

Give me proof SBC is light and not a blast of ki? Cell can fire it fast and it's not light speed. Light speed is like superman meaning you can travel the planet in seconds. if SBC was light speed no one could react to it ever. Kizaru and G2 Luffy are faster than DBZ characters. OP has better technology to speed the fighters up.

You can't harm logia's Kizaru can't be cut in half that's retarded you can't cut light you'll phase through him. That's dumb he can dodge anything he can move at light speed plus he can't be destroyed only Haki can destroy logia's. That's dumb logic Goku can't move buildings until you show me a scan from the manga. You made that all up. GR Luffy is stronger than Goku.

Nope your wrong Black-beard can generate his black-holes instantly he can swallow the DBZ warriors and absorb them. They can't move because of the gravitional pull. Ace lost and he can own the DBZ-verse. Vegeta cannot destroy the earth where they heck did you get the idea DBZ warriors can blow up the planet? Vegeta was bluffing Freiza could not destroy the planet he had to hit the core of the earth. Cell was bluffing the only character who has that power is Kid buu.

SSJ Goku has a pl of 15,000,000. You can't destroy intangible beings who don't need air! My god that's insane. Ace wins he can burn them up cuz DBZ characters are not fire proof.

Actually, Ace would lose easily. He needs air. he's fire and fire needs air. And most of the other logias are the same. Kizaru is the only one that could theoretically survive in deep space

I will not talk about Black Beard, I don't know him that well.

And again you tell me Cell can't destroy a planet. He said he could destroy a solar system.

And I'm not going to argue the speed thing. I can't even believe your actually capable of writing such non sense...DBZ is not slower than One Piece. Maybe, Saiyan Saga, Luffy in Gear Second could match that...but really, Saiyan Saga was baby play when you take the whole anime into question.

lol is totally right. And don't be a total dumbass, Chu what do you call this?




My logic is perfectly valid. I gave ACTUAL REASONS. You lost this one buddy

Ace would not loose. Ace needing air he'll become pure flame and expand. Kizaru can survive in space and Eneru well if think he can't survive in space you have not read the manga. Aokiji is ice. Never mind Kizaru said he was unbeatable he said so therefore he is since Cell said he can destroy a solar system I can do that logic.

OP's speed owns DBZ that's a fact.I have won this debate

Kamina wrote:Ace would not loose. Ace needing air he'll become pure flame and expand. Kizaru can survive in space and Eneru well if think he can't survive in space you have not read the manga. Aokiji is ice. Never mind Kizaru said he was unbeatable he said so therefore he is since Cell said he can destroy a solar system I can do that logic.

OP's speed owns DBZ that's a fact.I have won this debate

Oh no no no you're not getting away with that. Frieza, Cell, and Buu all said they were unbeatable. Cell saying he can destroy a solar system is not just blowing smoke. You aren't even close to winning this debate. Your opinion =/= fact. I have given logical and mathematical reasons to why DBZ's power and Speed owns OPs. Just because you say OP's is faster doesn't make it so. You just keep telling yourself that. I have no problem with it. But this debate can end now since you are just blowin smoke saying you have won and we're still giving arguments.