DBZverse vs Onepeice vs

I've won because I say I have. Only Kid buu can destroy planets. OP is faster and stronger. Ace,Enel, and Kizaru own the DBZ-verse as Rayleigh kills them with Haki.

Kamina wrote:I've won because I say I have. Only Kid buu can destroy planets. OP is faster and stronger. Ace,Enel, and Kizaru own the DBZ-verse as Rayleigh kills them with Haki.

Wow, such a conceited person you have become, Chu. Maybe I should be the new Chou

No it does not.



My common sense does not allow me to give up on this.

And has for Ace...fire needs oxygen, there is NO OXYGEN IN SPACE!! It's physics 101!!

Yes and btw, sorry to break it to you Chuckloth but Supreme Kai DID in fact paralyze SSJ2 Gohan. I forgot to bring it up

Victory is ours

Actually I think he left for a while...when he gets back, he'll continue this...oh yeah, I love Nikopol

"When I click send, the music stops"

FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Viral's theme is awesome

Chulance, you will NEVER win a debate this way. The only time I debated before was in school but here we go...

Kamina wrote:Physical strength may increase yes but that's not the point.

Let's see what you said on page one...

True SSJ forms triple increase power but where does it say they increase physical strength.

In that quote, you basically said that SSJ does not increase physical strength but then you said the opposite. You clearly lied somewhere.

Ace would not loose. Ace needing air he'll become pure flame and expand.

I am in Boy Scouts and here is what you need to get a Flame or Fire:
1) Fuel. I will ignore this because it is OP we are talking about.
2) A spark or flame source. Once again, I will ignore this.
3) OXYGEN! Is there any oxygen in space? No, because there is no air in space. That proves that Ace cannot survive in space due to no oxygen to flame up AND no air to breathe.

Never mind Kizaru said he was unbeatable he said so therefore he is

Piccolo said that Raditz can move faster than the speed of light. You said that the Piccolo statement is false so I can say that the Kizaru statement is false.

since Cell said he can destroy a solar system I can do that logic.

After SSJ2 Gohan punched Android 18 out of Cell, Cell decided to try and blow up the planet BY SELFDESTRUCTING! Goku knew that power so he had to take Cell to KING KAI'S planet in order to save the Earth. Then, Cell came back STRONGER so Gohan had to do the biggest Kamehameha at that point in the series to destroy Cell. Gohan's Kamehameha, WITH ONE ARM, was about the height of Cell. If ANYBODY from any point in OP got hit by that Kamehameha, that person would be obliterated.

I've won because I say I have.

Way to be ignorant. MULTIPLE people proved you wrong yet you still say that you are right. You cannot say that Piccolo lies about Raditz' speed or Cell lies about destroying the solar system when they say they can THEN say that you won or somebody is faster and stronger because you say so.

Only Kid buu can destroy planets.

Please refer to my SSJ2 Gohan/Cell comment.

OP is faster and stronger.

If you are saying base Luffy is faster and stronger than SSJ3 Goku or Super Vegeto(which is what that comment basically says), you must be lying.

Ace,Enel, and Kizaru own the DBZ-verse as Rayleigh kills them with Haki.

PLEASE tell me the difference between Haki and Ki. Supreme Kai used his Ki to paralyze SSJ2 Adult Gohan(Viral showed the proof). Can Haki actually hurt people? By what you said, no. That proves that Ki alone is stronger than Haki.

Haki is only form the OPverse therefore with it Opverse wins. Debate over Haki,logia's and luffy own the DBZverse with ease.

You do realize...you're alone on this right?

Yes and I don't care. I never give up no matter what.

Give it up. Flawed logic + bad grammar + improper information = Fail

I never give up I'm like Kamina I keep on evovling. I've used spiral power. I'm Kamina actually so therefore with spiral power the power of OP character evolves so they win HA!
I'm 100%serious Spiral power is what I have so OPverse owns DBZverse

Kamina wrote:I never give up I'm like Kamina I keep on evovling. I've used spiral power. I'm Kamina actually so therefore with spiral power the power of OP character evolves so they win HA!
I'm 100%serious Spiral power is what I have so OPverse owns DBZverse

*Punches you*

Don't ever disgrace the name of Kamina like that. You don't belong in the TTGLverse. Not manly enough.

I'm Kamina. That punch was nothinfg
*Draws katanna and summons spiral power*
Kamina:Don't make me fight you Viral I'll win like always

DBZverse nearly wins due to planet busters it's a tie. If Buu destroys the planet everyone dies but him,Eneru, and Kizaru. If that's the case neither can destroy the other. Of course since light burns Kizaru can possibly eradicate Buu.

Then of course...you're missing Cell. Oh yeah, and Goku would take everyone away with IT so only the OP guys die.

Too bad Earth and regular planets are the only one's in the OPverse. So Goku sues IT he'll end up on the moon or one of the other eight planets. No Oxygen. They'd all die except for Cell and Freiza. Buu would regenerate but Kizan could disintegrate them all with light beams and Eneru can use his army of Spacey's, gain more electricity from his technology on the moon. You fail to realize Haki is a powerful energy very few can use it gives one various powers such as causing people to be knocked out, controlling others ect.

Rayleigh is a master and can make Buu kill the others and then have Kizaru kill Buu. Jango can use hypnosis on Goku to kill the others as well. Crocodile can manipulate sand and drain the moisture from the others. No one in DBverse can manipulate water so Crocodile can own them by taking their moisture. KUro can use his high speed claw technique and Whitebeard is god!

Who says they have to destroy the Earth? You said it happens on an island so who's to say they won't just blow up the Island? If that happens, then Eneru and Kizaru just get their asses beat by someone like SSJ Trunks. Logias can't be harmed by physical attacks, but Ki can certainly hurt them.

In that video showed earlier, that one musical group cut Kizaru in half with fire. That isn't even his weak element. Although yes, he regenerated, someone such as SSJ Trunks can engulf Kizaru and Eneru in one Ki blast which can kill them.

(And btw, Viral is much stronger than Kamina, and spiral power only works in Ganmen.)

That's the dumbest logic I've ever heard my friend. It happens on a massive island true. SSJ Trunks is a weakling in the One piece verse. Eneru and Kizan are not just immune to physical attacks energy attacks won't work! The only way to beat them is Haki and only Luffy,Rayleigh, Shanks, and a few others have it.

It's not like KI it has much different effects than ki it;s not energy that;s manipulated. Ki cannot harm logia's and yes Kizaru can regernerate being engulfed means nothing he'll come out unharmed that's increadibly nisane you can't engluf light anyway. Have you seen Ace vs Smoker. Ace engulfs himself in fire without actually becoming fire.

The point is no matter what you engluf a logia in the only way to kill them is with Haki since somone with that can physically hit fire/sand ect. Also Zoro can use Asura to absorb or block energy attacks. So ki attacks are useless against Asura and people in OP casually toss around buildings. People in DBZ have more human limits they struggle to push giant rocks they get stronger but never building moving strength.

Kizaru moves at the speed of light and through reflections so he's faster than everyone in the DBZ-verse and Eneru moves at the speed of lightning. He can summon a massive storm to slaughter the DBZ-verse and than have Kizan kill Buu. Jango can use hypnotism on Buu and make him destroy all the Z-fighters and than Kizaru destroy Buu.

Kamina wrote:That's the dumbest logic I've ever heard my friend. It happens on a massive island true. SSJ Trunks is a weakling in the One piece verse. Eneru and Kizan are not just immune to physical attacks energy attacks won't work! The only way to beat them is Haki and only Luffy,Rayleigh, Shanks, and a few others have it.

It's not like KI it has much different effects than ki it;s not energy that;s manipulated. Ki cannot harm logia's and yes Kizaru can regernerate being engulfed means nothing he'll come out unharmed that's increadibly nisane you can't engluf light anyway. Have you seen Ace vs Smoker. Ace engulfs himself in fire without actually becoming fire.

The point is no matter what you engluf a logia in the only way to kill them is with Haki since somone with that can physically hit fire/sand ect. Also Zoro can use Asura to absorb or block energy attacks. So ki attacks are useless against Asura and people in OP casually toss around buildings. People in DBZ have more human limits they struggle to push giant rocks they get stronger but never building moving strength.

Kizaru moves at the speed of light and through reflections so he's faster than everyone in the DBZ-verse and Eneru moves at the speed of lightning. He can summon a massive storm to slaughter the DBZ-verse and than have Kizan kill Buu. Jango can use hypnotism on Buu and make him destroy all the Z-fighters and than Kizaru destroy Buu.

Ki has different properties than that of the OPverse so it can hurt them. Asura is useless if someone throws a tiny energy ball and appears behind Zoro and punches him in the back while he's too busy absorbing energy. Ki has to be able to harm logias because they're just pure energy. I read up on Kizaru and he is not light himself but his element is light moreso. He can be harmed by Ki as long as his full body is destroyed, otherwise he'd just regenerate. Same goes for Cell. I don't see many physical attacks made by OP chars actually being able to push him back. His blasts would overpower any kind of Haki things any OP chars can do.


DBZ does not have tiny limits. The only time you see that kind of stuff is in base form. SSJ power is SOOOOOOOOOOO Much beyond a base form like I stated earlier WITH MATH. SSJ Trunks lifted Mecha Frieza's Death Ball which would weigh more than a building.


Kizaru moves at the speed of light, but again, DBZ chars are faster. A base form is almost as fast and a SSJ alone is faster. Disappearing at base form will show you that DBZ chars can move much faster at SSJ. Eneru is fucked anyway because lightning doesn't do shit to them. They have lightning in their aura at SSJ2 and beyond. A thunder storm came during Goku vs Vegeta and they weren't even afraid of getting hit at such high altitude.

Jango is nothing btw. He gets beaten in one hit from a base form character. I watched the first parts of OP so I know well about him. If he is trying to hypnotise Buu, any other person could just appear behind him and kill him with one punch. Mystic Gohan would be able to knock out Buu even if he was hypnotised.

You're the one with the bad logic

That makes no sense! Logia's are immune to being hurt there are only rare instances in which they can be physically harmed. Ki would phase through them like physical attacks. You can't disintegrate light it's already light. Hmm yeah too bad everyone in DBZverse is not as strong as OP so Zoro can use Asura and one punch won't knock him out. He can be drenched in blood and nothing happen.

Kizaru can't be destroyed if you stab him he is light he becomes light all logia's can shift into their element and are always invincible. That's just plain stupid Haki can cause you to be knocked out or paralzed. Luffy in Gears or Lucci with sonu can both own Cell with physical speed and strength. SSJ Trunks lifting a full power death-ball true that must been heavy but nowhere near the weight of a building.

Besides it took him a while to lift it up and it was made of ki. If you move faster than light you get burned up that's science for you. They don't even move at the speed of sound or else when they went to Namek they could have moved at light speed and got there. Yeah lightning can burn up DBZ characters he can superheat the air and kill them. Goku and Vegeta never wistand a lightning storm in the manga. Jango can use hypnotism on Buuhan who owns everyone but Vegito or hypnotis Vegito to wipe out everyone and than fly into the sun.

Kamina wrote:That makes no sense! Logia's are immune to being hurt there are only rare instances in which they can be physically harmed. Ki would phase through them like physical attacks. You can't disintegrate light it's already light. Hmm yeah too bad everyone in DBZverse is not as strong as OP so Zoro can use Asura and one punch won't knock him out. He can be drenched in blood and nothing happen.

Kizaru can't be destroyed if you stab him he is light he becomes light all logia's can shift into their element and are always invincible. That's just plain stupid Haki can cause you to be knocked out or paralzed. Luffy in Gears or Lucci with sonu can both own Cell with physical speed and strength. SSJ Trunks lifting a full power death-ball true that must been heavy but nowhere near the weight of a building.

Besides it took him a while to lift it up and it was made of ki. If you move faster than light you get burned up that's science for you. They don't even move at the speed of sound or else when they went to Namek they could have moved at light speed and got there. Yeah lightning can burn up DBZ characters he can superheat the air and kill them. Goku and Vegeta never wistand a lightning storm in the manga. Jango can use hypnotism on Buuhan who owns everyone but Vegito or hypnotis Vegito to wipe out everyone and than fly into the sun.

KI =/= PHYSICAL ATTACKS! What don't you get about that fact. Stop being dumb and realize that Ki is not a physical attack. It would dissipate Kizaru. He is not light himself but he has light as his element. Cell is obviously stronger than Luffy and Rob Lucci. If you move faster than the speed of light, you don't get burned. Who ever told you that? Since no physics have ever gone past it in real life, there is no definition. The speed of light is what can be caught by eye. Now focusing with Ki brings down the speed that it's really going. You can't do that with Haki now can you? No. Jango can't hypnotise that well. Like I said, he will get owned before he even has a shot. Lightning doesn't burn DBZ characters because it's part of a SSJ2's aura. People like Cell attacked SSJ2 Gohan with lightning aura and it didn't hit him.

There's no point in continuing this, seriously. It's been over.

People...can we agree on this one thing

All Logia users BESIDES Crocodile need to be aware of danger. If they get surprised attacked, they die...Buu blows up the freacking planet before they even know he was there...problem solved

KIzaru is immune to ki and physical attacks. Ki can't hurt him only Haki as demonstrated by Rayleigh. Kizaru can only be destroyed by ki and nother else. Logia's are their element when Kizaru gets cut or stabbed he can regernate same with Ace,Crocodile, and Smoker there immune to physical attacks. Also Ace had fire powers and was unable to hurt smoker.

Fire isn't physical and he can shoot blasts of intense heat that have completly destroyed people. Cell may have more destructive power but in physical strength OP is better. Yes you do Kizaru can move at light speed DBZ characters cannot fact. Jango can hypnotis whoever Vegito toys with his opponents and has Vegeta's arrogance. That's for show SSJ2 warriors generate small sparks not 1,000,000 volts of lightning.

They would be fryed. That's retarded! Lol All logia's are always invincible in human form multiple times they've been stabbed and it phased through them. Buu blows up the planet ha not if Jango hypnotisses Super Vegito to kill everyone and teleport in space.

Kamina wrote:KIzaru is immune to ki and physical attacks. Ki can't hurt him only Haki as demonstrated by Rayleigh. Kizaru can only be destroyed by ki and nother else. Logia's are their element when Kizaru gets cut or stabbed he can regernate same with Ace,Crocodile, and Smoker there immune to physical attacks. Also Ace had fire powers and was unable to hurt smoker.

Fire isn't physical and he can shoot blasts of intense heat that have completly destroyed people. Cell may have more destructive power but in physical strength OP is better. Yes you do Kizaru can move at light speed DBZ characters cannot fact. Jango can hypnotis whoever Vegito toys with his opponents and has Vegeta's arrogance. That's for show SSJ2 warriors generate small sparks not 1,000,000 volts of lightning.

They would be fryed. That's retarded! Lol All logia's are always invincible in human form multiple times they've been stabbed and it phased through them. Buu blows up the planet ha not if Jango hypnotisses Super Vegito to kill everyone and teleport in space.

No, Lol is right. Also, I love how you pull these theories out of your ass and calling them facts. Jango is not fast enough to hypnotise any of the DBZ chars past Krillen. Really, if Buu destroys half the earth, Kizaru is going down with it. There is no logic that supports otherwise.

Really, I'm done arguing, but truly the scale of power and speed is so much higher in DBZ. This topic should have been locked a long time ago.