DBZverse vs Onepeice vs

Dude, I just can't seem to comprehend WHY you think OP wins.

I told you. Other than the logias (and now Marco I guess) OP is just on a level completely separate of Dragon Ball. I mean, the levels and the fighting are just different. DBZ's Speed and destructive power are WAY above OP. Only Kizaru and Ace can match them, and even then their energy attacks don't even reach the levels DBZ can reach.

I just can't let this go like that. I admit, DBZ as NO POSSIBLE WAY to harm logias unless they somehow manage to put them in the sea. But, everything else? It's not even a fair fight

No OP owns DBZ almost every OP person owns DBZ
Let's agree to disagree?

ya. This doesn't have any solution otherwise.

Tenchi Masaki! wrote:No OP owns DBZ almost every OP person owns DBZ
Let's agree to disagree?

WTF??????????????????????????????????????????? NO WAY dude... you can no longer be called the "supreme ruller of DBZ"... i do not know every single detail about the anime, but at least i know that the one piece, naruto and bleach characters do not have any chance against the Z warriors and villains... Seriously.. WTF!?

This debate is over.
I know OP wins and Lol thinks DBZ wins. So were agreeing to disagree.

Lol and i think DBZ wins... so The debate is set in favour to the DBZ characters (2 to 1)... dude, you lost this one!!

No... that's not how debating works.
If we all think Oolong can beat Goku but one person thinks Goku wins we can't end the debate.
Unless ALL people agree the debate is not ever
OP wins to me no matter what. So we agree to disagree.

Chu's got me there. As long as there is ONE person that keeps on arguing, we can't just say "we win"

Let's just call it a tie and be done with it

Yeah no one post in this.

Alright I'm willing to call it a tie. (Fyi I agree on DBZ though)

Tenchi Masaki! wrote:No... that's not how debating works.
If we all think Oolong can beat Goku but one person thinks Goku wins we can't end the debate.
Unless ALL people agree the debate is not ever
OP wins to me no matter what. So we agree to disagree.

(Then this is my last reply)

I think that rule is stupid... then, there is no point by macking such debates because the characters you defend will never lose.... their worst result would be a tie
Saying that the OP characters would win against the DBZ ones is like your example of Oolong defeating Goku
I am not those guys who defend my favourites character or animes (even if they do not have a chance) just because i love them... then Lucy from Elfen Lied would always win (or tie ) You have received a lot of facts why the OP team loses... the arguments you gave were "subjugated" by Lol1991 ones... therefore you should admit defeat, like i and a lot of people here in this forum already did in other Vs fights. But i know you would never do that so im going to stop giving arguments and losing my time in this forum section!!!

Anyway let's close this topic.

Yes, you may as well close the topic. It was Chulance vs Everyone else basically and we brought up far better arguments it was fun.

Finally I've decided DBZ wins this fight.

Ki can be used to disintegrate the logia's.
They have never regenerated from total disintegration.

Ownage.

OK, I can't believe some one is actually Trying to compare ANY anime to DBZ. The only characters that can compete with DBZ cast is Marvel and DC comics. Naruto/One Piece/Bleach/etc, all have nothing on DBZ. Also before I go on, just want to remind you that in Japan Goku is still the winner and holder of the strongest Anime Character Ever title, so that alone should clear some doubts up.

Lets begin. At the Start of Z, Goku is knocking down Red Elk Trees, which roughly way 10-20tons each, and he is easily carrying them overhead. This is before he breaks 1k Ki and before training with King Kai. Also as a child Goku was shot in the head by Bulma, the bullet bounced off and his reaction was to lift her car over his head and hurl it across the street, so he could easily lift 1 ton as a child. Find me some comparable strength and durability feats to Kid/Young Goku before suggesting anyone is stronger than him. Also as a child Goku had an Axe shattered off his head, as an Adult we have seen him deflect a Sword with his finger, but we'll get to that after. This shows how durable Goku is, so to assume a physical attack of any character on OP could even scratch him is preposterous. Also Goku's body is so resilient he was able to survive training at 100x Earth's Gravity, meaning his body weighed well over 10 tons. Also on Grand Kai's world he trained with 80 Tons easily, 20 on each limb and the planet's natural 10XGravity adds, so roughly 800 tons added to his own weight Multiplied by 10(roughly 2 tons). His bones did not crack or get crushed from the pressure. Another Durability Feat. Also like to Add in Raditz at 1,200Ki catching a bullet, and with finger strength alone sending it back with even more force. Raditz also lifted a pickup Truck overhead easily with one arm. Now lets point out Nappa taking out an Army, missiles and giant bullets bouncing off him as well as him physically tearing through Planes and ships. Only 4000 ki.

Lets move onto Speed. No one, I repeat NO ONE, on OP can move anywhere near the speed of sound or even touch the speed of light. If you want to claim they can then SHOW PROOF of this. The Speed of Light can travel around the World 7 times in a SINGLE second. Now lets return to DB; when Master Roshi and Krillin fought(when Krillin was a child) they attacked one another, made faces at each other, had a short conversation, played rock,paper,scissors, spit at each other/blew mucus, and attacked each other again, all within an instant that the audience or cameras could not follow, this is the first example of Time warp due to pure speed in the Db universe. Goku and others move WAY beyond light speed ppl, OnePiece does not. Also Light speed is beyond the speed of thought, therefor Goku and others can act, react, think, see/focus, etc faster than the speed of thought, so before any OP character can "think" to use a move or ability, Goku and others are already one step ahead(Superman has same speed and because of that speed he thinks faster than normal beings), not to mention their ability to sense energy which makes every move thrown their way predictable to them-especially by slower people.

Moving on in Speed. The closest Star to Earth is 4.2 Light Years away, to reach this star in 6 Days you'd be traveling 377xLight Speed. Goku's ship past by a different star in 2days on his 6day journey to Namek, so his ship is traveling WELL over 700XLight Speed. King Kai EASILY found his ship within the ENTIRETY of Space. However, when Goku and Freeza were fighting on Namek, they moved so fast that King Kai couldn't follow their movements, and they weren't fighting across space like Goku's Ship was, they were on a planet, a MUCH smaller Area to cover for King Kai, not to mention he was already honed in on their Ki when he lost sight of them. He then says, "This is the first time this has ever happened, they are moving so fast that not even I can keep up with them." Also Before Goku was Super Sayian, Freeza trapped him in an enery-Ball-bomb. According to the canon DBZ encyclopedia read and approved by Akira, Freeza's speciality are ki Bombs which work like Nuclear bombs. A nuclear bomb explodes at 1billionth of a secon, the speed of light moves at 1millionth of a second, however Freeza's bomb explodes even faster because it is made of energy so it doesnt require the step of fission where matter is converted into energy. Goku appears miles out of Range after the bomb explodes...he was trapped at its center(ground zero) and hurled around so he was disoriented, yet he was still fast enough to escape unscathed! If Goku was the speed of Light he could only move 2mm(the eye of a needle) as the bomb went off, however he travels miles away. Meaning Goku is at least 500x Light Speed to preform this feat. This is PRE-SSj, Each Ssj Transformation is a 50xLarger increase to Base form, so Ssj1 is 50X these stats. Meaning he is at LEAST(definitely more but we'll use this "power-downed" number for OP sake) 2500xLight Speed as an Ssj1 on Namek. Now, Namek exploded in 5minutes, however Goku and Freeza fought for hours beyond that. Why? Because as you approach/achieve/Surpass Light Speed, time slows down (remember Krillin and Roshi from earlier in their own "time warp"). So 5minutes to us is hours to them moving at their great speed.

Now lets fast forward a bit. Goku when he returns from Namek is doubled in Stats, BEFORE training for Androids and still pre-Ascended Ssj and Ssj2 and hyperbolic Time Chamber. So you can decipher his speed yourself at this junction. Now a Light Year is a measurement of Distance, not speed or time. A light year is the Distance Traveled moving at the speed of light over the time-frame of a year. The smaller stars in the sky are 100s of Light Years away. Vegeta's Final Flash against Cell Travels 100s of Light Years in the Time-frame of a few SECONDS (light year is time-frame of a year) and destroys a Star in deep space, and as we know Cell avoided a FULL-on collision at last possible moment, therefore Cell>F.F. The Final Flash traveled at Millions of times Light Speed(to figure this out see how many seconds in a year then multiply by a few hundreds and apply it to roughly 10seconds of travel) and Goku>Cell. Keeping up so far boys?

**Note: OP doesn't even know what Light Speed or the speed of sound alone looks like.**

Ok, moving on. Force=Mass Accelerated, the faster something moves the more Force it has. The Flash, despite having ZERO super Strength, was able to deliver a blow equal to the force of a Star Exploding by moving at high speeds. Goku and the like move at such high speeds that the force of their blows are ridiculous, and not only that, they take blows of this force ALL the time, meaning their bodies are incredibly resilient. Vegeta launches an attack at 50% Freeza who simply kicks it away, the attack flies into space and destroys a Planet. Freeza fires a giant attack at Ssj Goku who simply punches the attack away, it flies into space and shatters a planet. This means that Goku and Freeza's punches are at least twice as strong as planet Shattering attacks(FYI Superman can Shatter a Planet with a punch too). That means Goku and Freeza and the like throw planet shattering punches and kicks and are able to take these blows and shake them off.

**Note: NO OP character can deliver a planet shattering attack never mind a planet shattering punch or kick and no OP char move at the speed of sound nevermind light(so yes OP supporters, start to let your hopes crumble because I'm not even done yet).**

Freeza survived Namek Exploding, meaning he can take planets exploding and planet shattering blows and live. However Trunks' sword was able to cut him up. This means Trunks was so powerful and fast, that he swung his sword with such speed that it had more force than a planet exploding and as we Know, Goku deflected these attacks with his finger. Now DO not try and say, KI SHIELD! or any other bullshit. If you read the manga or even watch the anime, you'll see that the Blade touches his Skin every contact, it doesn't bounce off a ki shield. So yes, by this point, Goku is more durable than Freeza and in turn more durable than Planets exploding, form either energy attacks or physical ones(still think ANY OP char can scratch Goku?)

Now lets move onto Raw power/Energy/Ki. Vegeta at a Ki of 18,000 could generate an attack to destroy a planet in a single strike. . .any OP char come close to this level yet? I think not! King Vegeta at 16,000Ki raised one arm and instantly vaporized 3 Planets. . .Start shaking OPverse. Goku when he lands to fight Ginyu Force is 10xVegeta's Ki on Earth, meaning he can generate an attack capable of destroying 10 Planets in a single blow. Goku pre-ssj fighting Freeza, 3million Ki. Meaning he can generate an attack able to destroy 166.7 planets in a single blow. Ssj1=150Million Ki. Meaning by Ssj1 on Namek, Goku generate an attack able to destroy 8,333.3 Planets in a single Blow. . .(so how many planets do they fight on in OP again? Oh just 1? I guess they better watch out for Vegeta when he first appears!). When Goku returns from Namek, his Ki is doubled, so take those numbers and double em(also this is pre-training for androids/cell and the fights with both)!

Kid Buu release a Basketball sized blast that is able to destroy the planet at Earth. Vegeta nonchalantly throws a baseball sized blast which deflects the attack. These guys throw Planet destroying attacks like they are toys!

When Goku powers up to Ssj3 the ENTIRE planet shakes and Goku's Ki transcend time and space and cuts through dimensions and is felt in the heavens by the gods! Buu and Gotenks were able to shatter the fabric of reality with their voices to travel through dimensions. Superbuu with Gohan absorbed was generating an attack that would destroy the universe had not Vejito stopped him (so yeah, Z-chars can destroy the Universe and OP can destroy. . .an island at tops?)!

Now Goku is equal to Kid Buu as Ssj3. Uub is equal to kid Buu. Goku easily defeats uubs as a non-Ssj. So by the end of the series (10 years after Buu) Goku is almost equal to his Ssj3 Form in his BASE form, which means his Ssj3 form is insanely jacked.

The Point is Compare OP to DB not DBZ, at least there they are almost equal in power. I Mean in Db Piccolo destroyed a City with one blast and Goku took an Entire Army as a child and Roshi destroyed the moon. OP may have some feats closer to this. Also find me something comparable to Krillin and Roshi's speed feat before even suggesting any OP character comes close to in speed to Kid Goku.

You can prob compare OP to Naruto or Sailor Moon, they all around the same power, although beware of Pokemon, that Pikachu would give em a run for their money!!

But jokes(well not really I guess) aside, Goku could destroy OP cast in an instant.

Now for specific abilities, lets not forget Goku's Instant Transmission, it is a teleport and one that can travel through dimension (like going to King Kais in Otherworld or Hell or New Namek, etc etc!). So Goku ca take each of them to deep space and let them die them teleport back. Or he can teleport them to hell and blast them away if he didn't want to destroy planet. And they could. . . .frizzle his hair? But if we are saying no holds barred, the characters just going ALL out, than whats stopping Goku from using one of his >Planet shattering punches at speed that none of the OP cast can comprehend and the result knocking the head off them or reducing their bodies to mush.

Okay first off wow..I HATE DBZ fanboys..god..dang it.. There are tons of anime/manga character which FAR surpass DBZ. Despite being a classic,I find it hard to rewatch. One piece, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, ect. Goku AIn't the strongest anime person, that my friend goes to Tenchi Masaki.

Dude..I can name tons of anime people more powerful then Goku. Luffy could demolish parts of ships when he was a kid as well, his punches where like pistol shots, mind you he was a HUMAN not some alien meaning he gained his power through training. Kizaru can move at the speed of light, so your theory is wrong. Goku, and the others cannot move even close to the speed of light.

Let me sum this up, cuz I'm going to bed. Most of what you said is utterbullshit, DBZ can be utterly raped by half of the over powered manga's in Japan. DBZ dosen't move FTL, and OP can utterly rape the original Dragon ball. Roshi's Moon busting is Deus Ex Machina my friend. DEM, they have that alot in DB. OP can complete with DBZ, it's just those planet busting moves, speed advantage, and of course all of their broken antagonists, cause OP To loose.

Pokemon has God-Tier pokemon, they can solo DBZ. Arceus, Palkia, Dialga, Pokemon can pwn DBZ, hell Digimon can pwn DBZ. So goodnight.

@The Truth

You are a huge idiot...YOU DO NOT APPLY REAL WORLD PHYSICS TO ANIME LIKE DRAGON BALL OR ONE PIECE

That said, @Chu
Kizaru does NOT move at Light Speed.
He needs to BE light to do this, and if he is, he can't punch or kick
Translation, he needs to turn physical at the last moments, and Goku and the like CAN react to this moment and avoid his punches.
Kizaru = Told

And really, again @The Truth
You're fucking kidding me if you think that there aren't any anime cannons stronger than DBZ...
TTGL, Gunbuster/Diebuster, Tenchi, Demonbane, Shaman King, Getter Robo to name a fraction, are MUCH stronger than the Dragon Ball universe.
It's just One Piece isn't one of them

I know Kizaaru ain't light speed, I was just pissed.

Anyway I gotta go.

For what this is nothing to get pissed of about.

Btw, Cell>Goku and the Final Flash would have demolished Cell if he hadn't moved which it is obvious that he did. You're right that DBZ would beat OP but OP is pretty powerful.

And on the side, lol flamed...XD

Domon Kasshu wrote:Btw, Cell>Goku and the Final Flash would have demolished Cell if he hadn't moved which it is obvious that he did. You're right that DBZ would beat OP but OP is pretty powerful.

And on the side, lol flamed...XD

Really, because Goku can go SSj2 and punk cell with his pinky

Setsuna F. Seiei wrote:

Domon Kasshu wrote:Btw, Cell>Goku and the Final Flash would have demolished Cell if he hadn't moved which it is obvious that he did. You're right that DBZ would beat OP but OP is pretty powerful.

And on the side, lol flamed...XD

Really, because Goku can go SSj2 and punk cell with his pinky

I was referring to when Goku actually fought Cell.

Re: DBZverse vs Onepeice vs

New post by lol1991 on Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:53 pm
@The Truth

You are a huge idiot...YOU DO NOT APPLY REAL WORLD PHYSICS TO ANIME LIKE DRAGON BALL OR ONE PIECE

**Actually you CAN apply real life physics to Animes/Mangas, in fact any real VS debater will tell you this. The fact is; unlike comics, mangas/animes don't have the narratives to explain their feats. But Comics USE physics to explain the fantastic feats of their chars with narration.**

To determine anime/manga feats you must research the physics yourself and determine the feats with facts. Sorry, but you can't argue with facts and that is what I provided, feel free disprove my claims(you won't be able to, but try).

Look them up for yourselves. You will see that I have not lied in anything I explained. The fact is DBU(Dragonball Universe) chars have shown FAR greater feats than other manga/animes chars, OP isn't even in same realm. Why do we use feats in ALL VS debates?(wanted to clarify because you are pretty new at these types of debates from your reasoning) Because they show what a character is capable of.

You make claims of other anime/manga characters being stronger than DBU chars? Prove it. Show me feats equivalent to the few that I mentioned. Sow me any sign that other chars are more powerful.

Oh btw noob debater, fanboys don't offer facts based on research, they just say things like, "Hulk wins because Hulk Smash!" Whereas I offered detailed explanations for my statements.

Re: DBZverse vs Onepeice vs

New post by Peter Petrelli on Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:44 am
Okay first off wow..I HATE DBZ fanboys..god..dang it.. There are tons of anime/manga character which FAR surpass DBZ. Despite being a classic,I find it hard to rewatch. One piece, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, ect. Goku AIn't the strongest anime person, that my friend goes to Tenchi Masaki.
***(Show proof of this or stfu. Show me ppl with enough power to destroy over 8000planets in a single attack or can move over 300million times light speed(Final Flash when you do math out-I can explain this out too if you like, so there won't be any complaints!)****

Dude..I can name tons of anime people more powerful then Goku. Luffy could demolish parts of ships when he was a kid as well, his punches where like pistol shots**(OMG, he demolished parts of ships! Like Pistol shots, Kid-Goku took a bullet to the head and it bounced off, pistol shot ain't gonna do much, and Kid-Goku took an entire army alone, thousands of soldiers with automatic weapons and robots. Goku's punches were able to overpower a planet shattering attack, much beyond "parts of a ship". Raditz caught a bullet and with FINGER-strength shot it back with more force than the gun, so his finger was WELL-Beyond Luffy)** , mind you he was a HUMAN not some alien meaning he gained his power through training**(actually Goku gained ALL of his power through training and fighting so this statement is moot)**. Kizaru can move at the speed of light, so your theory is wrong**(proof? show me him moving 188,000 Miles Per Second)**. Smile Goku, and the others cannot move even close to the speed of light.**(Actually I've already provided MANY examples of them moving WELL beyond Light Speed(reread above post thoroughly plz, especially speed parts), so this is an example of fanboyism. Making claims without proof or saying someone else's claim is false without legit proof. tsk tsk)**

Let me sum this up, cuz I'm going to bed. Most of what you said is utterbullshit**(wow, omg you disproved me right here with this statement, thanks for providing ALL the details, research, and facts to disprove everything I said, man If only I knew you could just say "Your wrong" to win any debate or argument. . .*eye-roll*)**, DBZ can be utterly raped by half of the over powered manga's in Japan**(Hulk wins because Hulk SMASH!! ...I don't need to offer proof for my claims! I guess that means if you say the Sky isn't blue, its Brown, that makes it so, because according to your debating skills you don't need facts to make points or prove your claims)**. DBZ dosen't move FTL**(Again, no proof, just you saying "Nu-uh!" or "Not True" to my claims without offering any real proof.)**, and OP can utterly rape the original Dragon ball**(again, proof please)**. Roshi's Moon busting is Deus Ex Machina my friend. DEM, they have that alot in DB.**(This does NOT mean it is ANY less viable as a feat or show of strength and power so you making note of a plot device is a moot point. PC Superman made up new powers for himself ALL the time and did insane things, but that didn't take them away from him in vs Debates. Feats show what a char is CAPABLE of which is what matters in VS Debates)** OP can complete with DBZ, it's just those planet busting moves, speed advantage, and of course all of their broken antagonists, cause OP To loose.**(OP can compete because of. . .what exactly? Show me feats/facts explaining this plz. So OP chars can destroy the planet? Vegeta could when he first appears and Goku was 10xBeyond this at Ginyu Force... Do you even understand the difference here? Seriously. 10xPlanet Destruction capability at GINYU FORCE. You can't compare an OP char to SINGLE planet destruction, hell compare them to City Leveling(Piccolo in DB) or Moon Shattering(Roshi) if you will. Goku and the like take planet shattering attacks like they are nothing. Unless an OP char is FAR beyond Planet-Shattering capability than they cannot SCRATCH Goku. Do you understand you fucking moron! God)**

Pokemon has God-Tier pokemon, they can solo DBZ. Arceus, Palkia, Dialga, Pokemon can pwn DBZ**(OMFG, you did not just try to compare Pokemon to DBU did you? Buu is a Galaxy Busting villain and Superbuu was a universal Buster, no Pokemon comes close to that. They can be masterball'd and tamed/trained by normal humans. I cant believe how ignorant you are. You seem to seriously underestimate DBU as most ppl do because they like another animes more. The fact is the only universes that compare to DBU is DC and Marvel, any super-rating site or forum will explain this, Animes are severely lacking in real feats when compared to comics, DBU is the ONLY thing keeping your anime/manga characters in the running and you disgrace it with these pitiful arguments. Goku is vs Superman for a real debate, anything else is nonsense.)**, hell Digimon can pwn DBZ.**(This doesn't even deserve a response)** So goodnight.**(Get LOTS of sleep, you're going to need it after this ignorant response.)**

Re: DBZverse vs Onepeice vs

New post by lol1991 on Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:53 pm

And really, again @The Truth
You're fucking kidding me if you think that there aren't any anime cannons stronger than DBZ...
TTGL, Gunbuster/Diebuster, Tenchi, Demonbane, Shaman King, Getter Robo to name a fraction, are MUCH stronger than the Dragon Ball universe.
It's just One Piece isn't one of them
***Offer legit proof before making this claim. You have to understand the mechanics of a VS Debate to claim anything. Show me feats that proves any of these chars can beat Goku.

Goku wouldn't be awarded the most powerful anime character ever if there were tons of chars stronger. How are they stronger? Where are their Speed, Strength, Power, Durability feats? How are these feats true? And how will they be able to best Goku and Why?

Before you post you might wanna do some physics research because YOU can and MUST use physics to make points and facts. That is the only way to prove your claims.

So as you are looking for ways to prove yourself, keep in mind Goku is WELL over 300million times light speed, that's far beyond the speed of thought. So if you wanna say a char can hit him or can hit as hard, remember force=Mass Accelerated, and Goku's punches and kicks hit harder than a planet shattering. So unless these characters are fast enough to react to Goku and are able to take a shitload of planet shattering punches and kics, they do not compare to Goku, period.***

Nuff said for now, I am waiting for real responses with facts, not fanboyism plz, thnx.

Any battle involving DBZ vs. Anybody else usually has to end with at least a draw, because there is that inevitable point where someone *cough* *cough* Vegeta *cough* *cough* decides to launch a planet killing move. So there would undoubtably at least be a draw in this fight.